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    Maybe this was the intention of the OP but I'm kinda disappointed this thread has turned into a rehashing of existing arguments about the exact meaning of alternative medicine, or how homeopathy is only a ridiculous idea that contains no medicinal effect at all.

    I guess that is the thread title, just expected a bit more discussion of why someone might (as a perhaps desperate, though arguably rational, choice) look at alternative / holistic healing.

    Either way, arguing over how to use the word alternative medicine seems pointless when it appears to be ambiguous. Perhaps just be most specific with what your are referring to instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid View Post
    homeopathy is only a ridiculous idea that contains no medicinal effect at all.
    How is it non-ridiculous?
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    Going to have to agree with Mike here, this isn't going anywhere. I too find myself rehashing my own arguments. There's little real dialogue, just a lot of warfare from the trenches. I probably contributed to that too, apologies for that.

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    Look, I don't really want to dismiss anything without proof. The problem is that holistic healing suffers from a bad reputation in educated circles simply because it's included in homeopathy, which was debunked so many times it isn't funny anymore.

    I see myself as a healer, as a doctor. The medicine is my tool - with everything that it includes, science, investigations, procedures, you name it. Now let's say Alex is a mechanic. Alex uses tools to fix cars and bikes and what not. Now imagine you go to Alex and you tell him that the engine of that '08 Evo is ill because it hasn't used the right oil. Which might be true. But it doesn't mean that new oil with fix the burned camshaft gasket or the fried piston rings or will fix any fissures in the engine block. Nor does splashing gasoline around the engine would work.

    If people really could put their hands around other people and "fix" things, I would use them. Shit, I'd sub-hire like at least 10 motherfuckers like that. Then sit back in me chair and relax whilst them dudes work their magic. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that. I have to sweat tears of blood, learning my ass off - even now, when I'm 31, I'm reading shit I forgot or overlooked because the fuck, mate, it's a LOT. I've 13 years of school and practice behind me, most summers spent getting a tan from hospital lights and I know fuck-all. Yeah, I do know a lot by some standards, infinitely more than the layman. Doesn't mean I know it all, sometimes it's barely enough. When I get asked for some really rare things, I try and remember stuff, I formulate some ideas and before I relay them back to the person I usually break out some books to refresh some details I might've forgotten. It's no shame to do it. It isn't shameful to ask for help from another doctor that's more qualified than you or has a specialisation in that particular area.

    But I digress.


    I would really like to actually see what homeopathy and holistic medicine means nowadays. The OP does jack shit in describing exactly what his friend is going through. If he did that, we could have a more productive conversation about what is real, what is fake and how exactly his friend is getting either helped or ripped off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike deVoid View Post
    Maybe this was the intention of the OP but I'm kinda disappointed this thread has turned into a rehashing of existing arguments about the exact meaning of alternative medicine, or how homeopathy is only a ridiculous idea that contains no medicinal effect at all.

    I guess that is the thread title, just expected a bit more discussion of why someone might (as a perhaps desperate, though arguably rational, choice) look at alternative / holistic healing.

    Either way, arguing over how to use the word alternative medicine seems pointless when it appears to be ambiguous. Perhaps just be most specific with what your are referring to instead?
    No intention to start an argument. My friend has started exhausting current solutions and exploring the only other options left.

    I'm firmly in the "what a load of shit" brigade, but the difference it makes to her mentally is worth reigning in my prejudice and enjoying seeing the look on her face.

    To clarify what exactly she is doing, well, she is trying CBT, juicing, support groups, Pilates and even talking to Mediums.
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    Juicing?

    I'll assume juicing has more meanings than hopping on anabolic steroids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Juicing?

    I'll assume juicing has more meanings than hopping on anabolic steroids.
    Juicing is (as I understand it, so I might be terribly wrong) grabbing loads of varied, raw vegetables & fruits and juicing them, then consuming the juice. Sometimes herbs and spices are thrown in too. So the idea is that you consume vitamins, minerals, nutrients but not the fibres. Many juicers replace 1 or 2 out of 3 meals with said juice.

    Personally I think you probably get the highest nutritional value out of veggies & fruit by consuming them whole, but the juicers do get a walloping load of (varied) vitamins by juicing. It's probably not the worst "alternative" idea out there.

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    Sounds pretty retarded to me. Insanely easy to market I guess, I wish I'd thought of it and made millions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sounds pretty retarded to me. Insanely easy to market I guess, I wish I'd thought of it and made millions.
    It's probably healthier than the type of "Western" diet that consists of Coke, lots of fried stuff and twenty hamburgers with plastic cheese and mystery meat.

    Good news, you can still make money. Design an uberjuicing machine or write up a juicing recipe book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    warfare from the trenches.
    Overdramatize much? There is nothing in this thread which even remotely qualifies for such a remark. This is one of the most civil threads about a controversial topic ever (it helps that almost everyone has the exact same opinion ^^); Personally, I get the impression that you like to play the victim a bit because/when the discussion isn't going the way you liked..

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    Also, ofc the thread is going everywhere and 'derailing' a bit; because a) it's a thread b) OP hasn't took a bit of time to come back, which allowed the conversation to flounder more. Personally, a learned something, and if it was "only" definitions Oh and that cbd is the medical component, derp.

    And for me, Cosmins posts alone were well worth the read.

    Btw: Steele, o/o/ and all the best. Forgot that the first time around :\

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    I would really like to actually see what homeopathy and holistic medicine means nowadays.
    That was the reason why I went on my definition-finding spree.


    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post

    To clarify what exactly she is doing, well, she is trying CBT, juicing, support groups, Pilates and even talking to Mediums.
    Talking to mediums is really sad, because that is just getting taken advantage of :\ Any way to at least stop her for giving money to frauds?

    also:

    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post
    My friend has started exhausting current solutions and exploring the only other options left.
    Are they actually options though? The only 'option' in some cases is trying to be able to cope with it better, and then you're in the area of emotional/psychological support. Which is why stuff like homeopathy or mediums are doubly shameful, since they are selling false hope/skimming off what should be covered by mental healthcare where people would get professional help* which would help them much more than running to a quack so you can keep on deceiving yourself.

    *See:

    http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/suic...in-and-suicide

    http://www.chronicpainperspectives.c...32254a5c1.html


    I guess that is the thread title, just expected a bit more discussion of why someone might (as a perhaps desperate, though arguably rational, choice) look at alternative / holistic healing.
    I think you put it concisely before already. Sure, one can always elaborate, but that's it in a nutshell (and also a psychological issue):

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    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    warfare from the trenches.
    Overdramatize much? There is nothing in this thread which even remotely qualifies for such a remark. This is one of the most civil threads about a controversial topic ever (it helps that almost everyone has the exact same opinion ^^); Personally, I get the impression that you like to play the victim a bit because/when the discussion isn't going the way you liked..

    Uh, no. I meant to imply that we all had our opinions and weren't actually going anywhere in the discussion. Which is p. much warfare from the trenches: you occupy your little zone and stare at the opponent.

    I don't feel like a victim. Why would it matter to me if you have a different opinion? Within the boundaries of the law, we can all choose what we do or don't do with our bodies, and I like it that way. You having another opinion than me does not lessen me or victimize me. All this does is raise my eyebrow.

    The only thing that truly gets me mad in this context is the exploitation of other people's desperation. Plenty of those out there, but none of them in this thread that I'm aware of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sounds pretty retarded to me. Insanely easy to market I guess, I wish I'd thought of it and made millions.
    It's probably healthier than the type of "Western" diet that consists of Coke, lots of fried stuff and twenty hamburgers with plastic cheese and mystery meat.

    Good news, you can still make money. Design an uberjuicing machine or write up a juicing recipe book.
    I suppose that's true. I think I kind of shelter myself away from how poorly a lot of people eat, probably keeps me relatively sane.

    Hmm, I need some sort of twist on it I guess. Something special in the blender that 'really unlocks the goodness and positive energy of the fruit' and works in conjunction with the aerobic 'workout' DVD that sponsors Loose Women and is marketed at stay at home mums with too much disposable income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by indi View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Sounds pretty retarded to me. Insanely easy to market I guess, I wish I'd thought of it and made millions.
    It's probably healthier than the type of "Western" diet that consists of Coke, lots of fried stuff and twenty hamburgers with plastic cheese and mystery meat.

    Good news, you can still make money. Design an uberjuicing machine or write up a juicing recipe book.
    I suppose that's true. I think I kind of shelter myself away from how poorly a lot of people eat, probably keeps me relatively sane.

    Hmm, I need some sort of twist on it I guess. Something special in the blender that 'really unlocks the goodness and positive energy of the fruit' and works in conjunction with the aerobic 'workout' DVD that sponsors Loose Women and is marketed at stay at home mums with too much disposable income.
    Jason Vale's made a pretty penny off selling his books in the UK.

    But you don't need to spend much money, apart from the cost of a masticating juicer (£50 to £400). The recipes are everywhere and the ingredients are as cheap/expensive as the place you shop for groceries.

    I have them sometimes too as I eat like shit. Pretty nice some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post
    To clarify what exactly she is doing, well, she is trying CBT, juicing, support groups, Pilates and even talking to Mediums.
    Mate, what you're writing there isn't really homeopathy or alternative medicine (apart from fucking mediums, that is the single retarded shit in the above enumeration).

    CBT, juicing, support groups and Pilates are really good to do even if you're supposedly healthy. They're quite healthy habits to develop, obviously CBT and support groups only if you feel you need that stuff.
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    Just gonna leave this here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dianeces View Post
    Just gonna leave this here.

    Counter point: fad diets

    edit: and crossfit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
    Juicing is bad for you.
    If that's all one "eats", obviously. Doesn't hurt if you do it complementary to a decent food intake. If you imply it does, I'm curious as to why.
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