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    Without reading past the OP:

    Never underestimate placebo.

    Still, others have put it into good words...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diicc Tater View Post
    Without reading past the OP:

    Never underestimate placebo.
    Obviously don't read past the OP, it isn't like people have explained already that placebo is placebo, i.e. no real effect. Anything cured by placebo is a myth, so please stop doing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Diicc Tater View Post
    Without reading past the OP:

    Never underestimate placebo.
    Obviously don't read past the OP, it isn't like people have explained already that placebo is placebo, i.e. no real effect. Anything cured by placebo is a myth, so please stop doing this.
    I see that you feel strongly about this and perhaps read more into what I wrote than was intended. Sorry about that, old chap.
    I am under no illusion that placebo has or ever will cure a physical "thing". Latest I read is that it may, perhaps, maybe give some subjective relief of pain, stress and nausea.
    I may still be wrong tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    Juicing is bad for you.
    If that's all one "eats", obviously. Doesn't hurt if you do it complementary to a decent food intake. If you imply it does, I'm curious as to why.
    I remember hearing/reading somewhere that drinking lots of fruit smoothies is actually bad for you...too much fructose.

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    From the article:
    ... potentially...
    I do agree that drinking fuckloads of smoothies and fruit juice can be debilitating to one's pancreas, but general common sense advice applies - any excess is dangerous. Water intoxication is a thing, for example. I doubt drinking a smoothie per day is going to give a healthy person diabetes (1 smoothie meaning ~6 oranges, 3-4 bananas, grapes, pomegranate, milk, ice and what not, it ammounts to ~2 liters or so) if it's done with appropriate additional fluid intake (around the same amount of water) and healthy meals. I know it's said one should drink 2l fluids each day, but that's the minimum, not the maximum. Obviously adjust for person size and activity level, etc.
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    Juicing tends to be more veg than fruit for the serious

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteeleResolve View Post
    Juicing tends to be more veg than fruit for the serious
    This. Generally fruit will be added to make the result palatable, but the basis should be vegetables. (Excess is always bad, obviously)

    The smoothie people may or may not add protein powders as well.

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    What the fuck do vegetable smoothies have to do with "Holistic Healing".

    "Holistic" is just one of those words crusties throw in there to make it sound like their 130 crystal catheter is somehow superior to that round of antibiotics your doctor offered you to clear up the syphilis you are suffering from.

    Holistic medicine in the sense of "conventional medicine delivered on a holistic basis" on the other hand is just a synonym for "good medical treatment".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diicc Tater View Post
    Without reading past the OP:

    Never underestimate placebo.

    Still, others have put it into good words...
    Ministers are considering whether homeopathy should be put on a blacklist of treatments GPs in England are banned from prescribing, the BBC has learned.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Diicc Tater View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Diicc Tater View Post
    Without reading past the OP:

    Never underestimate placebo.
    Obviously don't read past the OP, it isn't like people have explained already that placebo is placebo, i.e. no real effect. Anything cured by placebo is a myth, so please stop doing this.
    I see that you feel strongly about this and perhaps read more into what I wrote than was intended. Sorry about that, old chap.
    I am under no illusion that placebo has or ever will cure a physical "thing". Latest I read is that it may, perhaps, maybe give some subjective relief of pain, stress and nausea.
    I may still be wrong tho.
    In the field of mental health care a 'placebo' does seem to work. I am offcourse talking about low level patients not full blown psychosis.

    Whenever i use the term 'Holistic' i allways mean it in the full body term both physical and mental.

    That being said one of my best friends is a holistic healer who now lives in a yurt http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/yurt-tent.jpeg.
    He is a very smart guy and we have regular talks about holistic stuff and religion. I laugh in his face for the choices he made especially about the yurt. He is fine with that and happy tos bigups to him i guess.
    He also makes about 90k a year of which he donates half to charities he likes.
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    Most SSRIs that are prescribed are mostly said to work 'as well as' or occasionally 'slightly better than' a placebo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Most SSRIs that are prescribed are mostly said to work 'as well as' or occasionally 'slightly better than' a placebo.
    Placebo's work really well when what you got isn't really cancer... Doesn't mean there aren't people who need them.
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    Holistic medicine is a form of healing that considers the whole person -- body, mind, spirit, and emotions in the quest for optimal health and wellness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    wasting time with holistic shit isn't gonna kill her like Steve Job.
    Interesting fact. Steve Jobs tried to use diet to fight his cancer, namely an entirely fruit based one iirc. There's some evidence to suggest that he wasn't entirely wide of the mark (well he was, but...). A ketogenic diet, or irregular fasting (say.. 4 times a year, fast for a week) has been shown to be a preventative measure against cancers, as cancer cells can only survive on glucose, they can't survive on ketogens. Whilst it's (probably?) not going to help anybody with already developed cancer, it's been shown to be effective against the very very very early stages (when the cancer cells are young and weak).

    He was idiotic to rely on it solely, but he wasn't entirely wide of the mark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mendolorian Girl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    wasting time with holistic shit isn't gonna kill her like Steve Job.
    Interesting fact. Steve Jobs tried to use diet to fight his cancer, namely an entirely fruit based one iirc. There's some evidence to suggest that he wasn't entirely wide of the mark (well he was, but...). A ketogenic diet, or irregular fasting (say.. 4 times a year, fast for a week) has been shown to be a preventative measure against cancers, as cancer cells can only survive on glucose, they can't survive on ketogens. Whilst it's (probably?) not going to help anybody with already developed cancer, it's been shown to be effective against the very very very early stages (when the cancer cells are young and weak).

    He was idiotic to rely on it solely, but he wasn't entirely wide of the mark.
    He was potentially technically right for all the wrong reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Cullnean's wife *is* a witch doctor though


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