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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    What i'm saying here is that Putin is just another product of his time, same as Stalin. Or, indeed, Trump.
    People watch navalny youtubes on their iphones where he shows off medvedev's palaces dachas and instead of righteous fury they feel envy. Your concern for democratic process in russia is cute.

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    It's much easier running an authoritarian oligarchy when you don't have to pay mild lip service to the ideals of a people's revolution.
    Yeah well the revolution brought some actual wealth to the proletariat, even if it was state-owned&provided.
    Who isnt a product of their time m8?
    Jacob Rees-Mogg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Im as big a fan of extrajudicial state assassinations as the next person, but in the case of FUCKING RUSSIAN SPIES doing spy shit? All in the game yo. All in the game
    The person in question was killed after the spy swap. This is the first time this happened, ever. This is also the first time Russia went after the children, since Trotsky's son was murdered by Stalin in 1937.

    The "game", as you put it, has no rules anymore. It became a war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Im as big a fan of extrajudicial state assassinations as the next person, but in the case of FUCKING RUSSIAN SPIES doing spy shit? All in the game yo. All in the game
    The person in question was killed after the spy swap. This is the first time this happened, ever. This is also the first time Russia went after the children, since Trotsky's son was murdered by Stalin in 1937.

    The "game", as you put it, has no rules anymore. It became a war.
    Not to mention that he was pardoned by Medvedev, then president of Russia. Everyone expected this to be a done deal and a closed book.

    Which is why I'm suspicious about the whole 'Russia did it' in this case. It's rather too obvious, and rather too pointless, even for Putin ...
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Im as big a fan of extrajudicial state assassinations as the next person, but in the case of FUCKING RUSSIAN SPIES doing spy shit? All in the game yo. All in the game
    The person in question was killed after the spy swap. This is the first time this happened, ever. This is also the first time Russia went after the children, since Trotsky's son was murdered by Stalin in 1937.

    The "game", as you put it, has no rules anymore. It became a war.
    Not to mention that he was pardoned by Medvedev, then president of Russia. Everyone expected this to be a done deal and a closed book.

    Which is why I'm suspicious about the whole 'Russia did it' in this case. It's rather too obvious, and rather too pointless, even for Putin ...
    Hillary did it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    Im as big a fan of extrajudicial state assassinations as the next person, but in the case of FUCKING RUSSIAN SPIES doing spy shit? All in the game yo. All in the game
    The person in question was killed after the spy swap. This is the first time this happened, ever. This is also the first time Russia went after the children, since Trotsky's son was murdered by Stalin in 1937.

    The "game", as you put it, has no rules anymore. It became a war.
    Not to mention that he was pardoned by Medvedev, then president of Russia. Everyone expected this to be a done deal and a closed book.

    Which is why I'm suspicious about the whole 'Russia did it' in this case. It's rather too obvious, and rather too pointless, even for Putin ...
    Hillary did it!
    With her emails!
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    "All the times Russia allegedly carried out assassinations on British soil" (2003 - current day)

    Here are the other times when Russia has been linked to deaths in Britain.

    • Stephen Moss, 2003. Moss, a British lawyer, had an apparent heart attack and died in 2003. US intelligence officials allegedly believe he may have been assassinated.
    • Stephen Curtis, 2004. Curtis, a lawyer who represented an imprisoned Russian oil tycoon, was killed in a helicopter in England in 2006. Again, US intelligence suspects that Russia may have played a hand in his death.
    • Igor Ponomarev, 2006. Pnomarev died shortly before Litvintenko, right before he was due to meet with someone investigating Russian activities in Italy. US intelligence may have evidence that the diplomat was assassinated, BuzzFeed reported.
    • Alexander Litvinenko, 2006. Litvinenko’s death made international headlines after the defector was poisoned in 2006. It contributed to hostile relations between Russia and the UK. Polonium, a radioactive element, was slipped into a cup of tea that he drank. Russia has always denied any part in his death, despite a public inquiry formally accusing two Russians of carrying out the killing on the behalf of Putin.
    • Yuri Golubev, 2007. An oil tycoon and friend to jailed political dissident Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Golubv died in 2006 in London. An obituary at the time said he “felt unwell,” returned from a trip early, and subsequently “died peacefully,” though US intelligence suspects foul play.
    • Daniel McGrory, 2007. McGrory was a foreign correspondent for the British newspaper The Times and was found dead at his North London flat. He had reported extensively on Alexander Litvinenko’s death. While his family believe he died of natural causes, British intelligence officials later asked US counterparts to investigate his death.
    • Badri Patarkatsishvili, 2008. The best friend and former business partner of Boris Berezovsky, Patarkatsishvili lived close to his friend in Surrey until he died of a heart attack after a family dinner. British intelligence officials asked their counterparts in the US for information about Patarkatsishvili’s death, and any possible links to Russia.
    • Gareth Williams, 2010. The body of Williams, a British spy, was found in a bag in his apartment in 2010. While police have said they think it was an accident, intelligence agencies allegedly believe he may have been assassinated.
    • Paul Castle, 2010. A property dealer with flamboyant spending habits, Castle died by suicide after stepping in front of a tube train. BuzzFeed reported that he may have been threatened with a slow and painful death by people linked to the Russian (and Turkish) mafia if he didn’t kill himself.
    • Alexander Perepilichnyy, 2012.Perepilichnyy was a financier who helped expose fraud by Russian government officials. He died in Surrey in 2012 after visiting Paris, and BuzzFeed News reported that there were “signs of a fatal plant poison” discovered in his stomach.
    • Robbie Curtis, 2012. Curtis was a friend of Castle, and, like him, worked in property. He too killed himself, with US intelligence reportedly believing he may have been driven to suicide by Russia.
    • Boris Berezovsky, 2013. Berezovsky was an expat businessman and critic of Putin. He was found dead at his home in an apparent suicide by hanging.
    • Johnny Elichaoff, 2014. Elichaoff was a businessman and the former husband of TV presenter Trinny Woodall. He had battled painkiller addiction, and reportedly rolled himself off a shopping centre roof after a string of oil investments went wrong.
    • Scot Young, 2014. Young was a wealthy “fixer” to the super-rich and often fronted deals for Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky. He was part of a network of associates who funneled Berezovsky’s cash through offshore companies, and repeatedly worried about being targeted by the Russian mafia. He was found impaled on the railings beneath a London flat.
    • Matthew Puncher, 2016. Puncher was the radiation expert who discovered that Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko had been given toxic polonium. Five months after a trip to Russia, he was found dead by multiple stab wounds. A coroner ruled suicide.
    Special mention,

    • Mikhail Lesin, 2015. Lesin, a former adviser to Putin and founder of propaganda network Russia Today, was found dead in Washington DC in 2012. US authorities have said his death was the result of a drunken fall, but some FBI agents reportedly believe he was beaten to death.


    ~ yeah, shaping up to be Hillary, in the Oval Office, with The Emails.

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    US authorities have said his death was the result of a drunken fall, but some FBI agents reportedly believe he was beaten to death.
    how do you even mess that up?

    - he has fallen about a dozen times maybe?
    - or just beaten to death
    - could be, hmmm


    Next up: Putin hacked Yelchin's Jeep because he didn't shake his hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
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    It's much easier running an authoritarian oligarchy when you don't have to pay mild lip service to the ideals of a people's revolution.
    Yeah well the revolution brought some actual wealth to the proletariat, even if it was state-owned&provided.
    You're referring to the red revolution and not the market revolution I'm guessing?

    In which case I agree.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    So, nerve agents seem to be in vogue.
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    But islamism IS a product of class warfare. Rich white countries come into developing brown dictatorships, wreck the leadership, infrastructure and economy and then act all surprised that religious fanaticism is on the rise.
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    British police officer is hospitalized in dire condition.

    A police officer is fighting for his life, Scotland Yard has revealed, as they confirmed that the "substance" used against Russian spy Colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter was a nerve agent.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ase-emergency/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    British police officer is hospitalized in dire condition.

    A police officer is fighting for his life, Scotland Yard has revealed, as they confirmed that the "substance" used against Russian spy Colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter was a nerve agent.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ase-emergency/
    another collateral victim of Russian fight for world peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    British police officer is hospitalized in dire condition.

    A police officer is fighting for his life, Scotland Yard has revealed, as they confirmed that the "substance" used against Russian spy Colonel Sergei Skripal and his daughter was a nerve agent.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ase-emergency/
    another collateral victim of Russian fight for world peace
    It's taking the piss. If you want to poison someone and send a message at least do it with a poisoned umbrella tip or via some other civilised means. If I recall correctly there was some pretty big clean up scenes following the Litvinenko assassination, including some collateral damage (I believe a waiter was hospitalised for radiation poisoning).

    Spreading nerve agent around in a market town just isn't cricket (especially if you don't finish the fucking job).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post

    Spreading nerve agent around in a market town just isn't cricket (especially if you don't finish the fucking job).
    Unless your goal is not only to assassinate individuals, but also to terrorize the population. It sends the message not only to defectors, but to the countries that shelter them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post

    Spreading nerve agent around in a market town just isn't cricket (especially if you don't finish the fucking job).
    Unless your goal is not only to assassinate individuals, but also to terrorize the population. It sends the message not only to defectors, but to the countries that shelter them.
    It's not terrorism though. If a Russian state operative poisoned 2 civilians and a police officer that would count as a flat out act of aggression against the British state would it not?

    As Larkonis said, they could have killed a lot of innocent people. It's insane shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    US authorities have said his death was the result of a drunken fall, but some FBI agents reportedly believe he was beaten to death.
    how do you even mess that up?

    - he has fallen about a dozen times maybe?
    That can happen if you're wasted out of your mind


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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    US authorities have said his death was the result of a drunken fall, but some FBI agents reportedly believe he was beaten to death.
    how do you even mess that up?
    Embarrassment. The DoJ should have protected him and failed badly in that regard.

    Regarding these latest shenanigans,

    Quote Originally Posted by ABC News
    The police statement came as Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the West to stop trying to contain Russia.

    "Those who serve us with poison will eventually swallow it and poison themselves," Mr Putin said in comments during a series of interviews for a documentary released on Wednesday, unrelated to the Skripal case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABC News
    The police statement came as Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the West to stop trying to contain Russia.

    "Those who serve us with poison will eventually swallow it and poison themselves," Mr Putin said in comments during a series of interviews for a documentary released on Wednesday, unrelated to the Skripal case.
    "Poisonings will continue until relations with Russia will improve!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    If a Russian state operative poisoned 2 civilians and a police officer that would count as a flat out act of aggression against the British state would it not?
    Remind me again how the Dutch moved against the Russians after MH17?

    Remind me also how Europe is weaning themselves (or not) off of Russian energy? It's been almost 4 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawinte View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post

    Spreading nerve agent around in a market town just isn't cricket (especially if you don't finish the fucking job).
    Unless your goal is not only to assassinate individuals, but also to terrorize the population. It sends the message not only to defectors, but to the countries that shelter them.
    It's not terrorism though. If a Russian state operative poisoned 2 civilians and a police officer that would count as a flat out act of aggression against the British state would it not?

    As Larkonis said, they could have killed a lot of innocent people. It's insane shit.
    Civilian lives don't matter to the ruling classes.

    See: The government saying a few statements and then keeping as quiet as possible.

    The Russians could have at least had the good grace to make him zip himself into a duffel bag before committing suicide.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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