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    Theorycraft me a BS fit for slaughtering cruisers/frigs in lowsec

    As title says.

    Needs to be a t1 BS. Perhaps a painter fit raven or phoon?

    Or will it have to be boring geddon?

    Lets see what you got.

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    Frigs? Absolutely nothing.

    Cruisers? A Hype, if they're retarded? Just as something that can tank & apply dps in a brawl. At least until you discover there's full-neut-geddons errywhere.
    Nothing t1's really gunna kite them, t1 cruisers are so fast that you'll really struggle to dictate range on them even if you get a starting situation where you aren't tackled before getting up to speed (while you alone are snakes & linked). If they have any ubiquitous t1 logi, well you're going to have to do a lot of kiting to pull them out of RR range.

    Basically no BS is going to reliably slaugher anything. BCs don't exist.
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    Surely its possible to design a BS that will slaughter anything that comes within point range and can escape from anything that wont?

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    ...no?

    Local rep power nerf. DPS nerf via t1 logi existing. Some ASB'd ships will always be able to tank the dps a tank-fitted BS can put out even if perfectly applied. Most cases a Sleipnir/Claymore will do you miles better than a BS.

    Why don't you propose something, and we'll see what's weak about it? It's not like a Vindi tanking ~4kdps and dealing ~1100 is all that great, and only ~1k dps more tank than a cheap Hype that also has a web (just not dat web).

    And there's the scan res, you'll never catch even a buffer fitted BS that wants to warp off when you appear.
    And roaming in a BS will make you want to just explode to be able to warp faster.
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    The only, and I do mean ONLY Battleship (not faction or otherwise) that I consider good, are the Nano APOC / Nano Phoon.

    You can fit the phoon the following way (Sorry I don't have EFT currently, so I can't CTRL+C / V)

    Highs: Full rack of T2 cruise, with precision misisles.
    Unstable Heavy Neut

    Mids:
    Deadspace MWD (With everything running has over 2min cap if you are not rocking the heavy neut) Which is playable with out heavy cap booster
    T2 Long point
    2X X5 Webs
    X-Large Anci Shield Booster

    Lows:
    2X BCS
    IFFA
    Nano X2
    Type-D Signal Amp
    Co-Proc

    Rigs:
    Rigors X2
    T2 Hyperspacial

    Grab 3% application implants, crash booster, nav implants. Use PRECISION cruise missiles and enjoy. You will apply full damage to slow boating / MWD curisers. With webs- you can also CRUNCH frigates as well. Heat, with a flight of light drones is over 700 DPS.

    Needs wu-1003 to fit.

    Goes 1500ms with basic speed implants cold. No links / snakes. FIt is interchangeable however. You can drop a web for MJD / invuln depending on what you are looing at.

    If you don't like shield, you can try armor. But to be honest, I don't like the fit. Dropping the signal amp is reall hard. BS lock time is atrocious, and I am blown away that this was not looked at during the rebalance. Sig amp / targeting subcontroller rig is a must on BS now imo. Quafe zero as well almost, for that additional 5% scan rez boost.

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    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II

    Warp Scrambler II
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    Need at least Standard Exile.

    Don't expect to tank a BS + friends.

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    Chessur, why not LAAR fit? Because of the need of injector for rep so you would prolly have to drop a web or wat?

    [Typhoon, New Setup 1]
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    Internal Force Field Array I
    Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II
    Signal Amplifier II

    Core C-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
    X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
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    Large Micro Jump Drive

    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
    Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Precision Cruise Missile
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    Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
    Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
    Large Hyperspatial Velocity Optimizer II

    Basically same thing just on armor buffer which means better resists/ worse cap, MJD can be swapped with injector and needs a 2% CPU imp to fit, other than that its identical. A named sig-amp would fit without implant
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    AARs still need cap, you mong. Another reason why ASBs were retarded.
    Sp4m's domi also needs another injector to use half its mods.
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    If you read my post you would notice a mention about:

    1. Worse cap
    2. Possible injector in place of MJD

    Done it by numbers so you have a chance of comprehending

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    smartbomb bs probably has more solo kills under its belt then anything else. u know what u must do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yagulare View Post
    If you read my post you would notice a mention about:

    1. Worse cap
    2. Possible injector in place of MJD

    Done it by numbers so you have a chance of comprehending
    He has an ASB, which doesn't need to use cap. You have an AAR, which does. How do you not have worse cap in the second fit, so much so that the second web is simply unviable vs having an injector, if you ever hope to cycle the rep at all? So it's not even a question, it's a statement that what you've offered isn't actually a fit. It'd be like having an injector but no MWD, and then saying maybe you need to swap in a prop mod to kite.
    Taking an MJD off is a huge change. Sounds like you're just throwing out untested combos of modules, which won't work.
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    He proposed an mjd-less fit, then mentioned you can swap one of webs out for mjd/invu if you feel like it. I clearly stated you can do pretty much the same thing, just switching where the tank lies from shield to armor. Basically read both posts, think about em, read em again then spurt random nonsense

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    You really can't, you can't swap from uninjected active shield tank to active armour tank. It's not a case of just lol 1 module diff. Having 2 webs would be huge rather than 1. MJD vs non is big tactically. But you must have an injector for active armour tanking, there's no debate, no offering alternative modules swappable to taste.
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    Nice playing Autism Online with you. You swap ASB with injector, co-proc with LAAR and you get armor version, then you can sacrifice a web for MJD if you feel like it, its exactly the same thing Chess proposed. Whats so hard to understand here

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    This is what. This is your post. This is you not swapping a web for an MJD. This is the combo that contradicts what you've been saying and shows it's unproved, untested, random guesswork.

    Doesn't matter, solo BS won't do shit vs cruisers. You can't slaughter them, you can only get very lucky against a few retards coming at you at most 2 at a time while you have all the links & implants.
    Shit speed, shit agility, shit scan res, shit warp speed, weak damage application, minimal value in utility slots, that significantly don't scale. Only a large smartbomb is something that actually keeps its value when outnumbered.
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    The Large MJD doesnt fit with Heavy cap booster + LAAR FYI. However dual web, armor works like a champ. You could drop the hyperspacial for an ANCI rig though, and then life is good.

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    For spams Dominix I'd probably use a buffer fit, should be plenty of tank to murder stuff with scrams and the gtfo
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    Dont like navy phoon, has worse actual dps then the real one due to the application bonus.

    If you have links + snakes and want to kite go phoon.


    Otherwise, dominix, it slaughter cruisers and frigates, has a pretty good gtfo ability due to neuts + mjd and isnt that expensive.

    Fitting wise you want gank, application and burst tank or high buffer to survive long enough to kill and to neut your way to freedom

    [Dominix, New Setup 1]
    Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Large Armor Repairer II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Damage Control II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Large Micro Jump Drive
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Large Anti-Explosive Pump I

    OR

    [Dominix, New Setup 1]
    Large Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Large Armor Repairer II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Drone Damage Amplifier II
    Damage Control II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Large Micro Jump Drive
    Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
    Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M

    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
    Large Anti-Explosive Pump I

    Gecko x2
    Hammerhead II x2
    Hobgoblin II x1

    (i prefer the second one)

    Jump in, start heating, mjd out once the cowards start to kite you and after you killed a few of them. Rely on cowardice for tank (them going far away from you to suvive).
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