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    Yes of course, we should ban space colonization because "we have problems here on Earth".

    Only way for human civilization to survive fuckup it has set itself for is by aggressively reaching out for the resources of the solar system.

    You will not ever be allowed to build communism on Earth, so allowing capitalism to buy itself another century by expanding into space is necessary for human survival.
    Absolute total bollocks.

    Expanding into space as a solution to Earth's problems is a meme
    So is "we need more hospitals and less spaceships".

    Space will happen regardless of Earths problems.
    Combat education inequality and we may actually manage to have a sufficiently skilled global population to make space colonisation viable.
    We already have a sufficiently educated population to make it viable. We had that population in the 70s. The problem has always been convincing the capitalist class that it was a worthwhile effort.

    And sorry but I agree that the 'solve Earth's problems first' thought is a meme. No one is going to be able to 'solve earths problems' before the climate slowly chokes the life out of our globalized civilization, there are too many bad actors to ever 'solve earths problems'.

    Anyways, the only thing that will stop space colonization efforts by corporations is some catastrophe like WWIII.

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    We have missed every train to reduce carbon emissions. Pumping sulfates into atmosphere is guaranteed to be medicine maybe even worse the disease. So we must use solar shade in Lagrange points.
    When China and India reach USA levels of consumption per capita we will need asteroid mining for platinum group metals and rare earths.

    Oh and also, space fucking solar fucking power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    Yes of course, we should ban space colonization because "we have problems here on Earth".

    Only way for human civilization to survive fuckup it has set itself for is by aggressively reaching out for the resources of the solar system.

    You will not ever be allowed to build communism on Earth, so allowing capitalism to buy itself another century by expanding into space is necessary for human survival.
    Absolute total bollocks.

    Expanding into space as a solution to Earth's problems is a meme
    So is "we need more hospitals and less spaceships".

    Space will happen regardless of Earths problems.
    Combat education inequality and we may actually manage to have a sufficiently skilled global population to make space colonisation viable.
    The number of skilled people in the global population is not even in the top 50 in the list of bottlenecks for space colonisation.

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    ITT: Plebs complaining that the the children they'll never have won't make it into space to further the human race.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Yes of course, we should ban space colonization because "we have problems here on Earth".

    Only way for human civilization to survive fuckup it has set itself for is by aggressively reaching out for the resources of the solar system.

    You will not ever be allowed to build communism on Earth, so allowing capitalism to buy itself another century by expanding into space is necessary for human survival.
    Absolute total bollocks.

    Expanding into space as a solution to Earth's problems is a meme
    We literally won't survive a big rock whacking us as a species unless we can breed somewhere off world. It's not a solution to Earths problems. It's creating a no single point of failure situation for humanity.
    meh

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    If you wanna get big brained, technically we won't get there until we start colonizing other star systems since a nearby gamma ray burst could exterminate all life in the solar system (probably)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    If you wanna get big brained, technically we won't get there until we start colonizing other star systems since a nearby gamma ray burst could exterminate all life in the solar system (probably)
    Sure, but baby steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    We're not going to successfully expand into space without tackling issues here first
    Didn't stop the European powers from colonizing the New World. Worked out okayish, with some notable exceptions.

    You don't have to deal with Earth issues anymore if you don't have to deal with Earth anymore. (This is, coincidentally, a major plot point in a story I'm writing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totally Not Larkonnis View Post
    ITT: Plebs complaining that the the children they'll never have won't make it into space to further the human race.
    That's why I'd rather make things materially better here first so I don't have to be surrounded by filthy poor people wallowing in poverty traps.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
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    ITT: Plebs complaining that the the children they'll never have won't make it into space to further the human race.
    That's why I'd rather make things materially better here first so I don't have to be surrounded by filthy poor people wallowing in poverty traps.
    Are you viewing this through the lens of mercantilism or something? Economies aren't zero sum games. Space-x et al using their surplus to fund R&D for future expansion efforts isn't keeping people in places like Bangladesh in poverty.

    In fact, the amount of money spent on space is literally insignificant as a portion of human productivity. NASA has received less funding in its entire lifespan than the US military receives in a single year.

    Really I don't get why internet socialists (of which i am one tbh) call out space exploration as some kind of great evil that's wasting money that could be used on schools and hospitals or something, because it's pretty widely accepted that the technology that goes into space is a huge net benefit to society as a whole.

    NASA gets 21 of the 4,472 billion spent in the US Federal budget. Even if you increased it's budget tenfold it's still a tiny fraction of the US budget. People on the left should really be focusing on military spending, which is actually a complete and total waste of human productivity, instead of screeching about the pennies that NASA gets.

    Then again, Keckers could just be trolling. IDK.

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    Economy being zero sum game is the foundation of marxist theory. Why are you even surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Then again, Keckers could just be trolling. IDK.
    Mostly this. The hard on nerds get for random space shit amuses me.

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    Economy being zero sum game is the foundation of marxist theory. Why are you even surprised?
    Class relations are a zero sum game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    A single gerald ford class carrier costs 12 billion, and that's not counting its aircraft or operating costs. The most significant unclassified innovation it has the magnetic catapult system, the tech has for which has been around since the 50s. In 20-30 years the ship will be obsolete, as will all of its aircraft.

    space is the problem though!

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    Yeah, if we even directed 10% of the defense budget into NASA we could do some amazing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Yeah, if we even directed 10% of the defense budget into NASA we could do some amazing things.
    At that point Lockheed would put their lobbying efforts into it just as they do with the military.

    They already build stuff for Nasa. But when that kind of budget is made available, they'll make sure they get most of it.

    At least that's what I'd do if I were them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
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    Yeah, if we even directed 10% of the defense budget into NASA we could do some amazing things.
    At that point Lockheed would put their lobbying efforts into it just as they do with the military.

    They already build stuff for Nasa. But when that kind of budget is made available, they'll make sure they get most of it.

    At least that's what I'd do if I were them.

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    That's better than them building weapons though. Unless we want to have some kind of Nuremburg style reckoning for the Military Industrial Complex, it's still a better use of funds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    In 20-30 years the ship will be obsolete, as will all of its aircraft.
    20-30 years of use is expected and good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    In 20-30 years the ship will be obsolete, as will all of its aircraft.
    20-30 years of use is expected and good.
    It's a gigantic waste of human potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    In 20-30 years the ship will be obsolete, as will all of its aircraft.
    20-30 years of use is expected and good.
    It's a gigantic waste of human potential.
    Think of all the brown people it will bomb!

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