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    So how about a state decides to teach a state full of poor people an anti science curriculum? Why should the rest of us pay for that poor decision?
    Fix your stupid federated system then.
    Well, I quit earning a taxable income and I will avoid that as much as possible in the future too, including buying stuff that produces any kind of revenue for those states. I'm doing my part.
    No you're not, you're avoiding your responsibility to the society you live in. That you see it as some sort of badge of honour is indicative of why your country is quite so fucked.
    Fuck them, got mine. I'll help people who aren't stupid, and I do.
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    If anything, the African experience has taught me not to throw good money after black people.
    Actually, I really don't mind spending money to help black communities ravaged by overt and covert racism here. There is certainly enough of it. I simply refuse to spend anything on primarily white, racist fucktards who think the accident of where their entirely unremarkable birth happened somehow makes them worth anything at all.

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    So how about a state decides to teach a state full of poor people an anti science curriculum? Why should the rest of us pay for that poor decision?
    Fix your stupid federated system then.
    Well, I quit earning a taxable income and I will avoid that as much as possible in the future too, including buying stuff that produces any kind of revenue for those states. I'm doing my part.
    No you're not, you're avoiding your responsibility to the society you live in. That you see it as some sort of badge of honour is indicative of why your country is quite so fucked.
    Fuck them, got mine. I'll help people who aren't stupid, and I do.
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    If anything, the African experience has taught me not to throw good money after black people.
    Actually, I really don't mind spending money to help black communities ravaged by overt and covert racism here. There is certainly enough of it. I simply refuse to spend anything on primarily white, racist fucktards who think the accident of where their entirely unremarkable birth happened somehow makes them worth anything at all.
    Yet you seem to think the accident of where you were born gives you the ultimate meter by which to judge others.

    You're fucking nauseatingly full of yourself aren't you, and thanks to nearly everyone with the tiniest bit of success in that fucking country you love so much being just as much of a cunt you have those wonderful communities you are also now shitting on. And you can't for the life of you seem to see a connection.

    And I don't even agree with the insufferable communist shit brigade here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And I don't even agree with the insufferable communist shit brigade here.
    yes u do

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    You're applying a very specific mindset to an awfully broad group of people.

    I wonder where we've seen that before...
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    So how about a state decides to teach a state full of poor people an anti science curriculum? Why should the rest of us pay for that poor decision?
    Fix your stupid federated system then.
    Well, I quit earning a taxable income and I will avoid that as much as possible in the future too, including buying stuff that produces any kind of revenue for those states. I'm doing my part.
    No you're not, you're avoiding your responsibility to the society you live in. That you see it as some sort of badge of honour is indicative of why your country is quite so fucked.
    Fuck them, got mine. I'll help people who aren't stupid, and I do.
    lovely...
    If anything, the African experience has taught me not to throw good money after black people.
    Actually, I really don't mind spending money to help black communities ravaged by overt and covert racism here. There is certainly enough of it. I simply refuse to spend anything on primarily white, racist fucktards who think the accident of where their entirely unremarkable birth happened somehow makes them worth anything at all.
    Yet you seem to think the accident of where you were born gives you the ultimate meter by which to judge others.

    You're fucking nauseatingly full of yourself aren't you, and thanks to nearly everyone with the tiniest bit of success in that fucking country you love so much being just as much of a cunt you have those wonderful communities you are also now shitting on. And you can't for the life of you seem to see a connection.

    And I don't even agree with the insufferable communist shit brigade here.
    We have those wonderful communities, because a corrupt political philosophy threw in with Charlatans who ringlead a retardedly middle ages perversion of fundamentalist christianity because its the only way they can have any political power. Now they've hired a professional clown as their front man, and have won because the political elite in the country are also fucking retarded. Fuck them. They don't deserve my money.

    My life, and where and when I grew up shaped my experiences. It also taught me your economic output is really the only power you actually have, and you should wield it like a finely honed weapon. Eventually, I suppose I'll have to begin participating again, even through halo effect, as I'm trying to start a company and my personal beliefs, I won't impose on others like that. It will obviously bias my decisions on where to buy services, just like it biases my decisions on which products to buy for household and personal use. Most of what I need to buy for my business isn't in Kentucky, so it doesn't matter.

    Fuck them. We have to hedge ourselves against the negative economic impact all the retarded "freedom" allows them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post

    John makes bad choices. He is responsible for those choices. He could make good choices (after all, he got a free education paid for, rightfully, by the State).

    Sally makes good choices. She is responsible for those choices. She could just as easily have made bad choices (after all, access to education doesn't make people act responsibly).

    I believe that answers your questions as asked.
    No, it doesnt, read the example and question again.

    Now let me ask you a question:

    John is mentally ill as a result of an abusive childhood in poverty.

    Sally is not, as a result of a relaxed childhood in the middle class.

    John works hard, seeks treatment, sacrifices, utilizes available programs of aid, makes good choices and enters the upper middle class.

    Sally is irresponsible and lazy, makes poor choices, wastes her money, rejects education opportunities and doesn't save for the future or even look up available aid programs, much less use them, and she now lives in poverty.


    Are they equally culpable and responsible for their outcomes?
    Yes absolutely. John has succeeded despite adversity, Sally has failed despite privilege. Both are totally responsible.

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    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.

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    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    It helps prevent the worst symptoms of poverty though. But yes I agree, seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie is the only way to truly solve the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    I mean, we've already concluded that the US is a 3rd world hellhole, so I don't know what you want to achieve here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    It helps prevent the worst symptoms of poverty though. But yes I agree, seizing the means of production from the bourgeoisie is the only way to truly solve the problem.
    You can't be poor if you starve!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    >liberals

    You take that back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    In actual news: Intel says North Korea has miniaturized nukes.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7883101.html

    This brought to you by the intel folks who said Saddam had Nuclear/Biological/Chemical weapons

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    It's the independent and it isn't an article shitting on the tories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Warning, WaPo paywall and fake news! sad!

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.b8f4f47ec419
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    Only giving money to rich people solves problems

    It is known
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    I love Malcanis!

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    ahh, Fox's talking heads have started to drop "sanctions on North Korea have been tried for years and don't work".

    I expect we're only a week or so off now.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Straight Hustlin View Post
    In actual news: Intel says North Korea has miniaturized nukes.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7883101.html

    This brought to you by the intel folks who said Saddam had Nuclear/Biological/Chemical weapons

    We have discovered an agent!

    DEAR LEADER, we have been informed by the chief of the security agency in Pyongyang,

    THE UNITED STATES has been discovered fabricating a claim on our nation!

    Their efforts continue but their reputation will suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    ahh, Fox's talking heads have started to drop "sanctions on North Korea have been tried for years and don't work".

    I expect we're only a week or so off now.
    Yes, it is not long until the US goes to economic warfare against the handful of Chinese company's that prop up NK.

    The chinese government couldn't directly deal with them so looking forward to Trump being all craxy as always.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    Only giving money to rich people solves problems

    It is known
    Taxing people less is now "giving" them something.

    As opposed to "taking less" from them or some such.

    I love the way language has to be used to explain certain ideologies, it says so much about how people think.

    Like in this case, it's shows that you really think all money is first and foremost the collective money, so letting someone keep more of what they earned in wages or the like IS in fact giving them something.

    (P.S. In before "you don't want any taxes blurgh!!!!". No, I want a flat tax rate on all earnings of all kind for everyone. Everyone pays in say, 35%, no loopholes, no breaks, no exceptions. Poor people then get to take back out in the form of social welfare. But everyone pays in first, and at an equal rate, thus everyone is invested in what we spend that money on.)
    Last edited by Alistair; August 8 2017 at 08:38:46 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    LOL the fucking liberals in here hand wringing over "disadvantaged".

    In Ohio alone if you are poor:

    - Free healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP)
    - Free food (SNAP/WIC)
    - Free preschool (Head start)
    - Reduced childcare
    - Reduced utilities (HEAP)
    - Financial assistance (OWF)
    - Free/reduced housing (Section 8)

    Newsflash hippies. Throwing money doesn't solve these problems.
    Only giving money to rich people solves problems

    It is known
    Taxing people less is now "giving" them something.

    As opposed to "taking less" from them or some such.

    I love the way language has to be used to explain certain ideologies, it says so much about how people think.

    Like in this case, it's shows that you really think all money is first and foremost the collective money, so letting someone keep more of what they earned in wages or the like IS in fact giving them something.

    (P.S. In before "you don't want any taxes blurgh!!!!". No, I want a flat tax rate on all earnings of all kind for everyone. Everyone pays in say, 35%, no loopholes, no breaks, no exceptions. Poor people then get to take back out in the form of social welfare. But everyone pays in first, and at an equal rate, thus everyone is invested in what we spend that money on.)
    Profit can only be gained through surplus value, or theft, so that is money the rich stole from the rest of us.

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