USA Politics Thread

[mewninn]

Investigations take place because there is a belief a crime has taken place. Not because there is a belief a crime hasn't taken place.

If I phone the cops because my back walls have been smashed in by thieves, they're not popping around just to prove me wrong. If I report a rape, they don't sit down with me to establish I'm a liar. Unless of course they do, in which case we're either back in "the bad old days", or they post here.

It's all good & well to parrot about innocence and objectivity, but if you can't find the obvious fault with the bald statement "these women shouldn't just be believed when they come forward" when

a) there is a wealth of statistical evidence that almost all claims have a basis in fact
b) a reality in which investigations frequently are directed on the basis that police 'believe' a crime has taken place once a complaint is made
c) it's something most decent human beings are capable of when confronted by a victim

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/n...ttan-rape.html

Yes because uncritical belief of the victim is such a virtue, especially when we talk about the US justice system where one black person is just as good as another.

But I guess if overzealous prosecution and shitty policework becomes just as bad outside of black communities as inside of them, then that will be a big win for equality

The breezy dismissal or downplaying of people who spend the entirety of their youth in prison is always telling. Maybe the collateral damage seems acceptable to you because the numbers seem so small, but I bet those people have a different opinion on the acceptable casualties

then you're either a fantasist or a misogynist. By all means though, feel free to go back to calling me names and giving one another hand-jobs.

I forgot to add autist

I forgot to add mendacious shithead.

Whine about name calling or dont, I give less than two shits about your preference. But don't be obnoxious by whining about it, and then doing it yourself.

[XenosisMk4]

This thread is doing wonders for my list of "FHC users who are probably woman-haters"

[XenosisMk4]

In terms or the discussion I think the most important thing is the perception that women who have been sexually assaulted will be taken seriously. I don't think this perception exists among many women. I also think that the influential and powerful are probably a demographic most likely to be sexual predators (personality types, accessibility to vulnerable people and a confidence that they can get away with it), this makes it much more difficult for victims to come forward.

I think (hope?) that we are all in agreement on that. They should absolutely be taken seriously, and the perception (or reality) that they wont be is a huge problem.

[Alex Caine]

This thread is doing wonders for my list of "FHC users who are probably woman-haters"

What about me? Its important that i know your opinion of me. I was arguing for "Evidence and not automatic belief" but then you quoted me here:

In terms or the discussion I think the most important thing is the perception that women who have been sexually assaulted will be taken seriously. I don't think this perception exists among many women. I also think that the influential and powerful are probably a demographic most likely to be sexual predators (personality types, accessibility to vulnerable people and a confidence that they can get away with it), this makes it much more difficult for victims to come forward.

I think (hope?) that we are all in agreement on that. They should absolutely be taken seriously, and the perception (or reality) that they wont be is a huge problem.

Currently unsure whether or not i hate women in the eyes of somebody who has forever valued and treated women with respect.

[Alistair]

It's all good & well to parrot about innocence and objectivity, but if you can't find the obvious fault with the bald statement "these women shouldn't just be believed when they come forward" when

a) there is a wealth of statistical evidence that almost all claims have a basis in fact

So just to be clear, all of the women who accused President Clinton of sexual assault/harassment should have been believed (and hence those who did not believe them, like Hillary Clinton and all the Democrats, are hence misogynists), and because of statistics they almost certainly were all telling the truth and assaults did in fact take place.

Glad we cleared that up, finally, a few decades late.

P.S. Police do not investigate because they believe a crime has occured, they investigate because someone swears out a claim that a crime has occured. This is a meaningful difference. Cops go by evidence (or they should), not belief in everything anyone tells them. Prosecutors, on the other hand, do weight "belief", but it too is based on evidence, not just a claim.

You might want to think about the massive potential for truly bad ramifications of the "cops must believe" theorem you've put forward.

[Keckers]

President Clinton probably has sexually abused women, yes.

[XenosisMk4]

President Clinton probably has sexually abused women, yes.

Alistair's moved the goalposts into the path of the ball by accident

[XenosisMk4]

P.S. Police do not investigate because they believe a crime may have occured, they investigate because someone swears out a claim that a crime has occured. This is a meaningful difference. Cops go by evidence (or they should), not belief in everything anyone tells them. Prosecutors, on the other hand, do weight "belief", but it too is based on evidence, not just a claim.

You might want to think about the massive potential for truly bad ramifications of the "cops must believe" theorem you've put forward.

You're being dense af or deliberately obtuse now

[XenosisMk4]

This thread is doing wonders for my list of "FHC users who are probably woman-haters"

What about me? Its important that i know your opinion of me. I was arguing for "Evidence and not automatic belief" but then you quoted me here:

In terms or the discussion I think the most important thing is the perception that women who have been sexually assaulted will be taken seriously. I don't think this perception exists among many women. I also think that the influential and powerful are probably a demographic most likely to be sexual predators (personality types, accessibility to vulnerable people and a confidence that they can get away with it), this makes it much more difficult for victims to come forward.

I think (hope?) that we are all in agreement on that. They should absolutely be taken seriously, and the perception (or reality) that they wont be is a huge problem.

Currently unsure whether or not i hate women in the eyes of somebody who has forever valued and treated women with respect.

There's a difference between what you're saying and what Alistair et al are saying, aka you're not being a dumb

[Stoffl]

And that's probably the least despicable thing he did during his political career.

[rufuske]

And that's probably the least despicable thing he did during his political career.

And still he was the best president USA had in last 30 years.

[Joe Appleby]

We don't have, or I cant find, a lolstralia thread so im putting this here because I think it would benefit ALL countries to do this to their ex or standing politicians..

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/sbs-is-s...-to-a-war-zone

I don't usually like SBS but honestly this is genius!

The lot of you must have missed this.

The Australian TV station SBS is sending an anti-refugee (former) politician to a for now undisclosed war zone. The show is called "Send them back to where they came from."

Holy shit I want that here.

[Stoffl]

It's going to be shit and completely scripted

[Dorvil Barranis]

Xeno gave me the bad touch.

Is believing me a virtue?

[Keckers]

And that's probably the least despicable thing he did during his political career.

And still he was the best president USA had in last 30 years.

Tough race, most American presidents post war have been awful.

[Don Rumata]

Stormy Daniels on Donald Trump (per CNN):

"His penis is distinctive in a certain way, and I sometimes think that's one of the reasons he initially didn't tweet at me like he does so many women," Daniels wrote. "He knew I could pick his d*** out of a lineup. He knows he has an unusual penis. It has a huge mushroom head. Like a toadstool."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/18/polit...ook/index.html



Worst. Timeline. Ever.

I didn't wanna knoooow about little president toadstool. I really, really didn't wanna know.

https://politics.theonion.com/blood-...-di-1829152311

[Malcanis]

Call me crazy but I'm predicting that the US will elect Hastur, The Unspeakable One, The King in Yellow, Him Who Is Not to be Named by a landslide in 2024.

Hastur will fix a lot of shit that's fucked, mark my words.

[Straight Hustlin]

Call me crazy but I'm predicting that the US will elect Hastur, The Unspeakable One, The King in Yellow, Him Who Is Not to be Named by a landslide in 2024.

Hastur will fix a lot of shit that's fucked, mark my words.

Have you seen the yellow sign?

[Malcanis]

ofc ofc

[XenosisMk4]

at this point I think the US would vote for Voldemort