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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Any lawyer worth his salary would have burned any and all documents relating to this shit, if not months ago then certainly after the raid last week. Am I wrong?

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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Pretty sure Trump's lawyers aren't top tier.

    Besides, that's what happens when your client lies to you a lot; you start needing to record your conversations.
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

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    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Supposedly the raid/investigation weren't actually about the pornstar/trump, but rather Cohen's other business dealings. The investigation has been going for months already.
    Totally not Victoria Stecker forgetting his password and not having access to his work email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steckersaurus View Post
    Supposedly the raid/investigation weren't actually about the pornstar/trump, but rather Cohen's other business dealings. The investigation has been going for months already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    They all say that on the first day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Why should he? Trump just pardoned Scooter Libby, and in doing so, has sent the message "Don't be afraid to obstruct the Russia investigation, I've got your back".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/o...by-pardon.html

    On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”
    Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

    But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Why should he? Trump just pardoned Scooter Libby, and in doing so, has sent the message "Don't be afraid to obstruct the Russia investigation, I've got your back".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/o...by-pardon.html

    On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”
    Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

    But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.
    Trump can only pardon people who've been convicted far as I recall, not people in-process (like all his "firewalls" at current), and only if he is still president (i.e. pre-Impeachment).

    Scooter Libby should have been pardoned ages ago. His punishment is an excellent example of a Special Prosecutor gone wild and fishing for "crime".


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    Good article. Yes the guy is apparently a terrible lawyer.

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...ump-presidency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Why should he? Trump just pardoned Scooter Libby, and in doing so, has sent the message "Don't be afraid to obstruct the Russia investigation, I've got your back".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/o...by-pardon.html

    On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”
    Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

    But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.
    Trump can only pardon people who've been convicted far as I recall, not people in-process (like all his "firewalls" at current), and only if he is still president (i.e. pre-Impeachment).

    Scooter Libby should have been pardoned ages ago. His punishment is an excellent example of a Special Prosecutor gone wild and fishing for "crime".
    https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2...resident-ford/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Why should he? Trump just pardoned Scooter Libby, and in doing so, has sent the message "Don't be afraid to obstruct the Russia investigation, I've got your back".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/o...by-pardon.html

    On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”
    Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

    But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.
    Trump can only pardon people who've been convicted far as I recall, not people in-process (like all his "firewalls" at current), and only if he is still president (i.e. pre-Impeachment).

    Scooter Libby should have been pardoned ages ago. His punishment is an excellent example of a Special Prosecutor gone wild and fishing for "crime".
    https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2...resident-ford/
    I get a distinct feeling ultra-conservative, ultra-religious Mike Pence......would be rather happy to A. Be President and B. watch Donald Trump burn in the fiery pit of damnation (i.e. prison).


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    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/an...-new-york-city

    If you want to know why Trump voters exist, I suggest you read this article.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/an...-new-york-city

    If you want to know why Trump voters exist, I suggest you read this article.
    "oh no, intellectualism"
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/an...-new-york-city

    If you want to know why Trump voters exist, I suggest you read this article.
    I don't need a New Yorker article to tell me that Trump makes weak people feel good about themselves, that they feel they're the only true guardians of liberty, and that they feel intimidated by anyone who's different.

    Article was useless, btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Cohen is apparently not cooperating
    Why should he? Trump just pardoned Scooter Libby, and in doing so, has sent the message "Don't be afraid to obstruct the Russia investigation, I've got your back".

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/o...by-pardon.html

    On Friday another president with a special counsel investigation raging around him pardoned Mr. Libby. “I don’t know Mr. Libby,” President Trump said in the pardon announcement. “But for years I have heard that he has been treated unfairly. Hopefully, this full pardon will help rectify a very sad portion of his life.”
    Mr. Trump’s action does nothing to change the past.

    But it might change the lives or convictions of people whom President Trump does know: his own personal firewall. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen and any of his other close aides who are facing or may face potential prosecution pursuant to the investigation by Robert Mueller, the special counsel.

    Mr. Manafort was indicted in October for hiding that he was working for a Russian-backed Ukrainian party while lobbying in the United States; charges against him could put him away for the rest of his life. F.B.I. agents raided the home and offices of Mr. Trump’s longtime lawyer Michael Cohen this week; according to the Department of Justice, he is under criminal investigation by the Southern District of New York, and he may face charges of bank and wire fraud for paying hush money to prevent news of past sexual affairs from becoming public during the election. By pardoning Mr. Libby, Mr. Trump sends a message to those who might incriminate him in crimes related to conspiring with Russians to tamper with the election: The message is that he will rectify any sadness that protecting a president might cause.
    Trump can only pardon people who've been convicted far as I recall, not people in-process (like all his "firewalls" at current), and only if he is still president (i.e. pre-Impeachment).

    Scooter Libby should have been pardoned ages ago. His punishment is an excellent example of a Special Prosecutor gone wild and fishing for "crime".
    https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2...resident-ford/
    As we learned earlier in this thread when it was about that Sheriff (Arapio, Arapopopopo, Areola, whatever) that got a pardon from Trump; when you accept a pardon before being convicted in trial you are guilty in the eyes of the law but your punishment for that crime is waived. You will however have the conviction on record for the remainder of your life.

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    >Have political party that acts against the interests of most voters
    >Underinvest in education
    >Tell the voters lies they aren't intellectually equipped to deconstruct
    >???
    >Profit

    Ta-da! It's Western democracy!
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    >Have political party that acts against the interests of most voters
    >Underinvest in education
    >Tell the voters lies they aren't intellectually equipped to deconstruct
    >???
    >Profit

    Ta-da! It's Western democracy!
    A good portion of western democracies have started taking from your ideological bailiwick and making speaking in descent illegal. So I guess there is hope for your cause.

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    There are western democracies that forbid speaking while walking down stairs?

    News to me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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