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    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    People in marriages are unhappy is the main takeaway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    People in marriages are unhappy is the main takeaway.
    I hear the sky is also blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    Well there's also the small matter of him literally being unable to mention it's raining without spouting incoherent word-salad. He's absolutely considerably less articulate than he was even a decade ago.

    In fact I will make a prediction now: Trump will evade prosecution on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    Well there's also the small matter of him literally being unable to mention it's raining without spouting incoherent word-salad. He's absolutely considerably less articulate than he was even a decade ago.

    In fact I will make a prediction now: Trump will evade prosecution on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
    See Malc, here is the thing, he's been spouting incoherent word salad live for as long as I can remember him being famous. He's a horrible public speaker, absolutely the worst. Without a script, he's always been bad.

    Second, I refuse to give Trump ANY pass, and a medical issue like dementia IS a pass. No sir, his actions are on him, not on some tin foil hat theory of dementia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    Well there's also the small matter of him literally being unable to mention it's raining without spouting incoherent word-salad. He's absolutely considerably less articulate than he was even a decade ago.

    In fact I will make a prediction now: Trump will evade prosecution on the grounds of diminished responsibility.
    See Malc, here is the thing, he's been spouting incoherent word salad live for as long as I can remember him being famous. He's a horrible public speaker, absolutely the worst. Without a script, he's always been bad.

    Second, I refuse to give Trump ANY pass, and a medical issue like dementia IS a pass. No sir, his actions are on him, not on some tin foil hat theory of dementia.
    Nah, compared to say 15 years ago, there's a big difference.

    I didn't say that he'd justifiably evade prosecution (or, rather, imprisonment), just that he will in all likelihood do it. He is, after all, extremely rich and white.
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    I'm not sure the orange comes off in the wash.

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    But orange is the new black?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Why are we presuming it's dementia/confusion, rather than simply bad instruction or a missed instruction on the plan of events?

    Oh, right.

    Perhaps the first step in bridging the gap between Trumpster Husbands and Progressive wives is to limit yourself to criticism of substance, as opposed to tin foil hattery?

    It's not like there isn't enough of substance to be critical of, after all.
    Why should we give Trump supporters any criticism of substance at all? It's not like they have the cognitive talent to know what that even is.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

    Forbes, Feb 2013
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
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    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.
    The Republicans got caught faking election counts but they haven't been banned from getting candidates elected.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
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    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

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    That CDC's stance sounds entirely reasonable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

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    Cool, can you provide a citation for the actual faking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

    Forbes, Feb 2013
    Wait so because the outcome of studies doesnt line up with what you want the CDC is automatically faking their studies? lol...



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    An American poster called Sgt sniper feels his masculinity threatened whenever gun control is backed up with stats? Well I never!
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Cool, can you provide a citation for the actual faking?
    The study that broke the camel's back on CDC funding was Kellermann et al, 1993 NEJM, an epidemiological study identifying owning a gun as one of the biggest factors in identifying people likely to die from gun violence. It's thorough, concise and well supported by subsequent reviews and research.

    That's obviously unacceptable, so congress banned the CDC from doing any research into gun violence.

    That ban was recently lifted. Now they're just not allowed to spend any money to do such research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
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    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

    Forbes, Feb 2013
    Cool, can you provide a citation for the actual faking?
    http://reason.com/archives/1997/04/0...lth-pot-shots/

    Very large article. Points out most of the ways studies were deliberately manipulated to get what they wanted.

    Have fun.
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    Bordua and Cowan noted that The New England Journal of Medicine and the Journal of the American Medical Association, the main outlets for CDC-funded studies of firearms, are consistent supporters of strict gun control ... "are almost always by medical or public health researchers."
    You could not make this shit up

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
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    friendly reminder that the NRA have continuously blocked the CDC from investigating gun deaths

    Friendly reminder the CDC got caught faking gun stats and that's how they got banned from the subject.


    There was a very good reason for the gun violence research funding ban. Virtually all of the scores of CDC-funded firearms studies conducted since 1985 had reached conclusions favoring stricter gun control. This should have come as no surprise, given that ever since 1979, the official goal of the CDC’s parent agency, the U.S. Public Health Service, had been “…to reduce the number of handguns in private ownership”, starting with a 25% reduction by the turn of the century.”

    Forbes, Feb 2013
    Cool, can you provide a citation for the actual faking?
    http://reason.com/archives/1997/04/0...lth-pot-shots/

    This is interesting, actually. Although i do think there's a difference between drawing politicised conclusions and falsifying actual data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    Cool, can you provide a citation for the actual faking?
    The study that broke the camel's back on CDC funding was Kellermann et al, 1993 NEJM, an epidemiological study identifying owning a gun as one of the biggest factors in identifying people likely to die from gun violence. It's thorough, concise and well supported by subsequent reviews and research.

    That's obviously unacceptable, so congress banned the CDC from doing any research into gun violence.

    That ban was recently lifted. Now they're just not allowed to spend any money to do such research.

    Kellerman deliberately avoids any non-lethal encounters in his study. He chose to ignore every time a person broke in, was faced with a gun, and ran away. They only used lethal incidents either which way.


    They also had those numbers. King County later admitted that they had those stats, and supplied them to Kellerman, and he deliberately left them out.

    So no, not advocate research at all.......
    A critical exception has occurred. The exception is FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

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