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    Yet again avoiding the very specific arguments thrown at him and repeating what he said before multiple times, while pretending he's here to debate.

    The world does not work in absolutes m8, it's always a balancing act of what is more beneficial. You're mentally still a goddamn teenager if you honestly think such moral law based absolute stances are actually viable. Or at least beneficial to anyone but your own ego.

    This is btw especially hilarious because you often shut down arguments based on it just being realistic or viable in current America or that things would need to change too much, how it's impossible. Yet here you are discussing absolute solutions to gigantic problems knowing exactly how things should be.
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    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Or he'll become Judge Dredd and start righting the wrongs done unto THE LAW.

    Alistair's arguements are so flimsy it's beyond offensive to read them. Again my main issue with him is his willingness to bow to a system he acknowledges as broken, mostly because he benefits from it out of privileges endowed by the system, and pretends he has any moral standing to do so. That's a great enabler of a fucked up graveyard of a capitalist society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steckersaurus View Post
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    Russians Accessed Georgia E-voting Databases, Mueller Indictment Reveals, but KSU Destroyed the Evidence
    http://atlantaprogressivenews.com/20...-the-evidence/
    I kept reading this one, and thinking I was at the end.

    And then it kept going.

    And kept going.

    And kept going.
    We may never know if Russians influenced elections in Georgia as a result of this access, because Kennesaw State University technicians wiped the server clean a few days after voting integrity advocates requested the server for a forensic audit as part of a lawsuit challenging Georgia’s E-voting regime.
    Well if that doesnt get someone in to prison then your legal system is well and truly broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    We may never know if Russians influenced elections in Georgia as a result of this access, because Kennesaw State University technicians wiped the server clean a few days after voting integrity advocates requested the server for a forensic audit as part of a lawsuit challenging Georgia’s E-voting regime.
    Well if that doesnt get someone in to prison then your legal system is well and truly broken.
    Why would it? The person who received the request probably allegedly was a completely different person than the ones actually wiping the server clean and they can always claim that the message did not reach the tech personnel until a wipe was already done. Classic Rhodesia solution to the problem. And then claim how important it is to do the wipe as voting history and such is extremely sensitive information and not wiping the server is surely a huge privacy risk. Or something. There may be a slap in the wrist for not acting sufficiently quickly to prevent the wipe, or from not communicating clearly, but the end result is just a promise to improve the practices for the next time the court might request such materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    You’re absolutely right, but people do love to hate Alistair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    I respect him too, he's willing to address his cognitive dissonances and doesn't cry all that much about it.

    The only end of the political spectrum which won't destroy the planet or the human race requires fanaticism to drift discourse even slightly further left. That's what makes the infighting among tankies so fucking annoying.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    I respect him too, he's willing to address his cognitive dissonances and doesn't cry all that much about it.

    The only end of the political spectrum which won't destroy the planet or the human race requires fanaticism to drift discourse even slightly further left. That's what makes the infighting among tankies so fucking annoying.
    Thanks for reminding me of that. Remembering that tankies are infighting too much to be able to effectively act as apologists for the murderous infighting of the soviets, is one of my little joys. Replacing gulags with cutting remarks, down-votes and social ostracism is certainly a sign of progress.

    And yes, the UK needs to slip to the left and there needs to be a core of left wing ideologues driving that.

    The public face to that that which engages with people not-yet-sold on the need for a shift to the left needs to be slightly smoother than frothing ideologues ranting on about late-stage-capitalism.

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    The biggest issue with tankies is they drown out reasonable leftist discourse and allow the establishment to tar all leftists with the authoritarian gulag brush.

    Late stage capitalism is a phrase which has pretty good grounding and resonates with a lot of people though, tacking on 'frothing ideologues' is a weak attempt to de-legitimise a group of people who haven't benefited from a system which you support.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    You’re absolutely right, but people do love to hate Alistair.
    You... do realize this is all about him yelling about his unbendable ideological fanaticism when it comes to the law, right?

    His views haven't really changed, just the packaging and the wordiness. I'm amazed people are falling for it, just wait for his next meltdown and you'll see.

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    He drifts left with every meltdown though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    You’re absolutely right, but people do love to hate Alistair.
    You... do realize this is all about him yelling about his unbendable ideological fanaticism when it comes to the law, right?

    His views haven't really changed, just the packaging and the wordiness. I'm amazed people are falling for it, just wait for his next meltdown and you'll see.
    If my fanatic ideology was unbending.......why would I be so supportive of material and meaningful changes to the law?

    And who here is yelling? Longer posts in a (I thought good) exchange with my friend Steck doesn't = yelling, it equals engaged discourse.

    It's just kinda sad that 99% of your posts are the same old content-free criticisms about what other posters have to say? FHC isn't a movie, I doubt we need you as our resident post-quality police.

    I mean, you could be a sane, rational and productive member and participant and post some views on U.S. immigration policy yourself if it matters to you...but as you said in the past, that's too much effort, you're just trollinglol, you don't really care, etc.

    So, yeah. Carry on Isy.


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    No, trying to be productive in getting your sorry arse to actually use those two braincells left in there occasionally instead of all that word masturbation.

    Look at the last page and you have people repeatedly making arguments you ignore and then repeat the same thing you already decided to be true.

    That's not being intellectual, no matter what you might have convinced yourself of. It is also why I never debate you on anything with actual arguments. You already have plenty to acknowledge by people who said things better than I could. Go on.
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    Alistair is more sensible and down to earth than about 89% of people in this thread, even with his conservative outlook. The fact that he's a "healthy" conservative yet some of you lot still screech like retarded children that he's practically a racist nazi, well, that says a lot.

    I'd willingly trade 95% of conservatives for Alistair in a fucking heartbeat.

    And I'm a commie, basically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    No, trying to be productive in getting your sorry arse to actually use those two braincells left in there occasionally instead of all that word masturbation.

    Look at the last page and you have people repeatedly making arguments you ignore and then repeat the same thing you already decided to be true.

    That's not being intellectual, no matter what you might have convinced yourself of. It is also why I never debate you on anything with actual arguments. You already have plenty to acknowledge by people who said things better than I could. Go on.
    Mate, you "don't debate me" because you are clearly incapable of posting in a civil manner.

    No one here at FHC needs you to help them post or make their arguments. If they think I'm passing, missing or ignoring a vital point, they are all pretty damn capable of pointing that out themselves.

    FHC doesn't need you as it's insult-spewing forum referee.

    Contrary to what you seem to think, we're all educated adults here, generally.


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    Alistair isn't wrong here, for once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Give him another 18 months and the good guys will win and Alistair will basically be a socialist. Just see how much his views on Healthcare etc have changed.
    I respect Alistair for this.

    Unbendable ideological fanaticism is not a good thing, on any end of any political spectrum.
    I appreciate your and Kecks comments.

    I think FHC has indeed helped moved me materially leftwards on a number of issues.

    We have some very good posters, who make very good, logical, fact-filled arguments that are compelling. Arguments I do try to consider.

    I've certainly also had some experiences, specifically with my Mom in the UK, that have also helped move me in my support for Universal Healthcare as well.

    I certainly hope I don't give you (or others like you here that I hold in high esteem) the impression that I'm immovable on the policy positions I hold.


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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Alistair isn't wrong here, for once
    No, I AM wrong.

    I give you alot of shit, and am often uncivil to you, and I'm mean to you, and honestly if I was living to the standards I want to hold Isy to, I wouldn't do that.

    While your posting style annoys me greatly from time to time, and I wish you would troll less, I have no right to mock you the way I do and have.

    I will try and be better. And I apologize for the personal attacks, for what it's worth. I'm too old to be acting that way.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Alistair isn't wrong here, for once
    No, I AM wrong.

    I give you alot of shit, and am often uncivil to you, and I'm mean to you, and honestly if I was living to the standards I want to hold Isy to, I wouldn't do that.

    While your posting style annoys me greatly from time to time, and I wish you would troll less, I have no right to mock you the way I do and have.

    I will try and be better. And I apologize for the personal attacks, for what it's worth. I'm too old to be acting that way.
    Nah I don't mind, the line between banter and attack is pretty blurry on FHC sometimes

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