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    See also: prisoner's dilemma (sort of).

    There's nothing wrong with state-sponsored economic activity. If we want to respond to China with a steel and aluminum tariff, that could be seen as balancing out the scales somewhat... but so could subsidizing our own minerals industry in the same manner as the Chinese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    It's fine, but erratically announcing unilateral action that reverses and in fact spits on previous agreements may have consequences the smart people doing this haven't even begun to think about yet.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    See also: prisoner's dilemma (sort of).

    There's nothing wrong with state-sponsored economic activity. If we want to respond to China with a steel and aluminum tariff, that could be seen as balancing out the scales somewhat... but so could subsidizing our own minerals industry in the same manner as the Chinese.
    Sorry the US govt is too busy subsidizing farmers so they can sell hay and corn to China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    If it was informed, sure.

    But levying a tariff on German cars sold in the US is just ridiculous, as a lot of the cars sold in the US are domestically made. Just one example. Also you don't start trade wars with your biggest trade partners. There's no way that ends well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    If it was informed, sure.

    But levying a tariff on German cars sold in the US is just ridiculous, as a lot of the cars sold in the US are domestically made. Just one example. Also you don't start trade wars with your biggest trade partners. There's no way that ends well.
    United States in a trade war with the entire world will not end well for the US
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.f957891d4afd

    A 17 year old killed and another student injured at an Alabama school, they're still not sure if the shooting was accidental

    ??? Wtf
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.f957891d4afd

    A 17 year old killed and another student injured at an Alabama school, they're still not sure if the shooting was accidental

    ??? Wtf
    not sure if that makes it worse or better tbh

    just remember guys, guns aren't the problem

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    who cares anymore? (not americans).

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.f957891d4afd

    A 17 year old killed and another student injured at an Alabama school, they're still not sure if the shooting was accidental

    ??? Wtf
    not sure if that makes it worse or better tbh

    just remember guys, guns aren't the problem
    No no you dont get it.. An accidental shooting is a good thing. It means the kids are armed and able to defend themselves in case a REAL murderer trys to shoot them. The one that got shot is to blame because he didnt shoot first. Etc, etc..
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    Make Obstructions of Justice Great Again!

    WASHINGTON — The special counsel in the Russia investigation has learned of two conversations in recent months in which President Trump asked key witnesses about matters they discussed with investigators, according to three people familiar with the encounters.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/u...us-mcgahn.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Make Obstructions of Justice Great Again!

    WASHINGTON — The special counsel in the Russia investigation has learned of two conversations in recent months in which President Trump asked key witnesses about matters they discussed with investigators, according to three people familiar with the encounters.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/u...us-mcgahn.html
    Even if he wasn't attempting to learn something or put some spin on to it, just asking about it tells a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeAfroMan View Post
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    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    If it was informed, sure.

    But levying a tariff on German cars sold in the US is just ridiculous, as a lot of the cars sold in the US are domestically made. Just one example. Also you don't start trade wars with your biggest trade partners. There's no way that ends well.
    United States in a trade war with the entire world will not end well for the US
    Correction: It will not end well for those who haven't positioned themselves to take advantage of this situation. If you make out like a bandit, that's called being smart. If you don't, that's on you. /s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Taibbi on point

    also, i like how the gradually escalating teacher strike starting in West Virginia is apparently getting incredibly tepid coverage, you'd imagine that people striking for better working conditions and so forth would provoke a frothing rage from american media.
    That's actually precisely why it does not have large media coverage. The nation is a tinderbox waiting to be lit when it comes to the economic suffering imposed on the population. The media chiefs think that by denying the strikers (or others protesting economic injustice) a spotlight and misdirecting the public with trivialities in the headlines, that their message won't spread far. And they're probably right, since the US media is a global master of propaganda.
    NPR was running updates and new interviews every day.

    West Virginia governor signed a 5% pay raise today, ending the strike. Now there is speculation if it will inspire other teachers to strike in their states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nu11u5 View Post
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    Taibbi on point

    also, i like how the gradually escalating teacher strike starting in West Virginia is apparently getting incredibly tepid coverage, you'd imagine that people striking for better working conditions and so forth would provoke a frothing rage from american media.
    That's actually precisely why it does not have large media coverage. The nation is a tinderbox waiting to be lit when it comes to the economic suffering imposed on the population. The media chiefs think that by denying the strikers (or others protesting economic injustice) a spotlight and misdirecting the public with trivialities in the headlines, that their message won't spread far. And they're probably right, since the US media is a global master of propaganda.
    NPR was running updates and new interviews every day.

    West Virginia governor signed a 5% pay raise today, ending the strike. Now there is speculation if it will inspire other teachers to strike in their states.
    Wow 5 whole percents!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by quarky View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Worst POTUS thread turns into best music thread.

    mate u'd better stay in food threads

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    Taibbi on point

    also, i like how the gradually escalating teacher strike starting in West Virginia is apparently getting incredibly tepid coverage, you'd imagine that people striking for better working conditions and so forth would provoke a frothing rage from american media.
    That's actually precisely why it does not have large media coverage. The nation is a tinderbox waiting to be lit when it comes to the economic suffering imposed on the population. The media chiefs think that by denying the strikers (or others protesting economic injustice) a spotlight and misdirecting the public with trivialities in the headlines, that their message won't spread far. And they're probably right, since the US media is a global master of propaganda.
    NPR was running updates and new interviews every day.

    West Virginia governor signed a 5% pay raise today, ending the strike. Now there is speculation if it will inspire other teachers to strike in their states.
    Wow 5 whole percents!!
    if you played eve u kno 5% is serious business
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    If it was informed, sure.

    But levying a tariff on German cars sold in the US is just ridiculous, as a lot of the cars sold in the US are domestically made. Just one example. Also you don't start trade wars with your biggest trade partners. There's no way that ends well.
    United States in a trade war with the entire world will not end well for the US
    Correction: It will not end well for those who haven't positioned themselves to take advantage of this situation. If you make out like a bandit, that's called being smart. If you don't, that's on you. /s
    You mean like Trump's buddy that sold all his steel stock a week and a half before the tariff announcement? Yeah, they will do ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
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    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    If it was informed, sure.

    But levying a tariff on German cars sold in the US is just ridiculous, as a lot of the cars sold in the US are domestically made. Just one example. Also you don't start trade wars with your biggest trade partners. There's no way that ends well.
    United States in a trade war with the entire world will not end well for the US
    Correction: It will not end well for those who haven't positioned themselves to take advantage of this situation. If you make out like a bandit, that's called being smart. If you don't, that's on you. /s
    You mean like Trump's buddy that sold all his steel stock a week and a half before the tariff announcement? Yeah, they will do ok
    Surely just a coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nu11u5 View Post
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    Taibbi on point

    also, i like how the gradually escalating teacher strike starting in West Virginia is apparently getting incredibly tepid coverage, you'd imagine that people striking for better working conditions and so forth would provoke a frothing rage from american media.
    That's actually precisely why it does not have large media coverage. The nation is a tinderbox waiting to be lit when it comes to the economic suffering imposed on the population. The media chiefs think that by denying the strikers (or others protesting economic injustice) a spotlight and misdirecting the public with trivialities in the headlines, that their message won't spread far. And they're probably right, since the US media is a global master of propaganda.
    NPR was running updates and new interviews every day.

    West Virginia governor signed a 5% pay raise today, ending the strike. Now there is speculation if it will inspire other teachers to strike in their states.
    was it not mostly about insurance costs tho?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Generic question: If Country A provides direct subsidization aid to an industry or levies tariffs against foreign competing industry, can/should Country B impose equal tariffs to equalize the market or no?

    If not, why not?
    Yes, but it should be run through the WTO rules. This is what Boeing tried with bombardier. Didn't end well for Boeing, frankly. Playing with tariffs is a sign of someone on the verge of defeat and otherwise out of options.

    Or an idiot.

    Or both.

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