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    Thursday’s official confirmation that the Russian and American presidents, Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump, will hold talks in Helsinki on 16 July has set off a flurry of preparatory work by city and state officials.

    Helsinki Police immediately began drawing up a security plan, says deputy police chief Heikki Kopperoinen.

    “The security arrangements will be extensive, but normal considering the size of the meeting. Helsinki Police will make normal requests for assistance from partner officials and the Finnish Defence Forces,” Kopperoinen added.
    Can’t they just leave the folks of Suomi alone? They never asked them to come over.

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    I mean really they should be meeting in Reykjavik.

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    Before we make any more Nazi comparisons, let's take a moment to read a piece by Mike Godwin: http://www.startribune.com/is-it-tim...ons/486745301/

    Is it time to reconsider 'Godwin's Law' on Nazi comparisons?
    I'm criticized from both sides, but the question of evil is bigger than party politics. Sometimes, as with Hitler, we need to remember history well enough to draw parallels that are deeply considered.

    By Mike Godwin


    Does Godwin’s Law need to be updated? Repealed? I get asked this question from time to time because I’m the guy who came up with the law more than a quarter century ago.

    In its original simple form, Godwin’s Law goes like this: “As an online discussion continues, the probability of a comparison to Hitler or to Nazis approaches one.”

    It’s deliberately pseudoscientific — meant to evoke the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the inevitable decay of physical systems over time. My goal was to hint that those who escalate a debate into Adolf Hitler or Nazi comparisons may be thinking lazily and contributing to the decay of an argument over time.

    Godwin’s Law doesn’t belong to me, and nobody elected me to be in charge of it. That said, I do have thoughts about how it is being invoked nowadays.

    Godwin’s Law (which I nowadays abbreviate to “GL”) has been frequently reduced to a blurrier notion: that whenever someone compares anything current to Nazis or Hitler it means the discussion is over or that that person lost the argument. It’s also sometimes used (lazily) to suggest that anyone who invokes a comparison to Nazis or Hitler has demonstrated a failure to grasp what made the Holocaust uniquely horrific.

    Most recently, GL has been invoked in response to the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” border policy that resulted in the traumatic separation of would-be immigrants from their children, many of whom are now warehoused in tent cities or the occasional repurposed Walmart.

    The response has been predictable: Debate for some people has been derailed by the trivial objection that, even if it is terrible to separate children from their parents, it’s not as awful as what the Nazis did. Or as bad as the slave trade. Or as bad as what the expansion of the U.S. westward did to American Indians.

    My name gets cited in a lot of these discussions. Some critics on the left have blamed me for (supposedly) having shut down valid comparisons to the Holocaust or previous atrocities. Some on the right have insisted that I’m “PC” for having tweeted (a bit profanely) that it’s just fine to compare the white nationalists who plagued Charlottesville, Va., last year to Nazis.

    I don’t take either strain of criticism too seriously. But I do want to stress that the question of evil, understood historically, is bigger than party politics. GL is about remembering history well enough to draw parallels — sometimes with Hitler or with Nazis, sure — that are deeply considered. Sometimes those comparisons are going to be appropriate, and on those occasions GL should function less as a conversation ender and more as a conversation starter.

    Take the argument that our treatment of those seeking asylum at our border, including children, is not as monstrous as institutionalized genocide. That may be true, but it’s not what you’d call a compelling defense.

    The seeds of future horrors are sometimes visible in the first steps a government takes toward institutionalizing cruelty. In his 1957 book “Language of the Third Reich,” Victor Klemperer recounted how, at the beginning of the Nazi regime, he “was still so used to living in a state governed by the rule of law” that he couldn’t imagine the horrors yet to come. “Regardless of how much worse it was going to get,” he added, “everything which was later to emerge in terms of National Socialist attitudes, actions and language was already apparent in embryonic form in these first months.”

    So I don’t think GL needs to be amended. It still serves us as a tool to recognize specious comparisons to Nazism — but also, by contrast, to recognize comparisons that aren’t. Sometimes the comparisons can help us spot the earliest symptoms of horrific “attitudes, actions and language” well before our society falls prey to the full-blown disease.

    By all means cite GL if you think some Nazi comparison is baseless or hyperbolic. But Godwin’s Law was never meant to block us from challenging the institutionalization of cruelty or the callousness of officials who claim to be just following the law. It definitely wasn’t meant to shield our leaders from being slammed for the current fashion of pitching falsehoods as fact. These behaviors, distressing as they are, may not yet add up to a new Reich, but please forgive me for worrying that they’re the “embryonic form” of a horror we hoped we had put behind us.

    Mike Godwin is a distinguished senior fellow at the R Street Institute. He is a former general counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation and was the first employee of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. He wrote this article for the Los Angeles Times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    February's press release is "new"?
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    February's press release is "new"?
    Truly finding the important core of the issue there.

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    >guys that transparently neo-nazi slogan was unveiled back in feburary why so concerned only now??

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    "out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum"

    13/88 = 14%


    Yeah, that's pretty obviously some Nazi shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
    "out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum"

    13/88 = 14%


    Yeah, that's pretty obviously some Nazi shit.
    I think the bigger question is does that justify the persecution of these people and the abandonment of moral standards in the country they are trying to move to (illegally or otherwise).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Also lol Alistair at saying both sides in a situation like someone telling that lying cunt Sanders to get out is the same as chucking shit at a building.
    Lefty protesters have chucked bodily fluids many times over the years.

    Being faux-shocked and outraged some loony righty does the same, lol, yeah.

    As I said earlier, I don't care if they kick out Sanders (nice offensive term there btw, classy as always). Political party affiliation/viewpoint is a perfectly legal form of discrimination here.

    Not what you stated in the comment you made, but of course, you are going to just slip and slide as always, keep trucking that neo con shit m8.

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    Nordstern in hilarious "stop comparing a political atmosphere encouraging dehumanising an ethnic group and putting them in camps to nazis" scenes.

    The nazis didn't start with gas chambers. Best to nip it in the bud before America goes into full crimes against humanity mode.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Nordstern in hilarious "stop comparing a political atmosphere encouraging dehumanising an ethnic group and putting them in camps to nazis" scenes.

    The nazis didn't start with gas chambers. Best to nip it in the bud before America goes into full crimes against humanity mode.
    TBH I don't think Americans have got it in them.. You've seen how efficient Germans are and how lazy Americans are.. They would want to build those gas chambers but it would require them to get off their asses and actually do something. Better off paying Mexicans to do it so they don't have to get up from their netflix and cable news.
    Quote Originally Posted by lubica
    And her name was Limul Azgoden, a lowly peasant girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Nordstern in hilarious "stop comparing a political atmosphere encouraging dehumanising an ethnic group and putting them in camps to nazis" scenes.

    The nazis didn't start with gas chambers. Best to nip it in the bud before America goes into full crimes against humanity mode.
    TBH I don't think Americans have got it in them.. You've seen how efficient Germans are and how lazy Americans are.. They would want to build those gas chambers but it would require them to get off their asses and actually do something. Better off paying Mexicans to do it so they don't have to get up from their netflix and cable news.
    I know it's a joke but.

    Regular people being too lazy to give a fuck is exactly how you get that. Because only the psychos are motivated to do shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    Nordstern in hilarious "stop comparing a political atmosphere encouraging dehumanising an ethnic group and putting them in camps to nazis" scenes.

    The nazis didn't start with gas chambers. Best to nip it in the bud before America goes into full crimes against humanity mode.
    TBH I don't think Americans have got it in them.. You've seen how efficient Germans are and how lazy Americans are.. They would want to build those gas chambers but it would require them to get off their asses and actually do something. Better off paying Mexicans to do it so they don't have to get up from their netflix and cable news.
    I know it's a joke but.

    Regular people being too lazy to give a fuck is exactly how you get that. Because only the psychos are motivated to do shit.
    Lazy Americans are no joke mate..
    Quote Originally Posted by lubica
    And her name was Limul Azgoden, a lowly peasant girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
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    Nordstern in hilarious "stop comparing a political atmosphere encouraging dehumanising an ethnic group and putting them in camps to nazis" scenes.

    The nazis didn't start with gas chambers. Best to nip it in the bud before America goes into full crimes against humanity mode.
    TBH I don't think Americans have got it in them.. You've seen how efficient Germans are and how lazy Americans are.. They would want to build those gas chambers but it would require them to get off their asses and actually do something. Better off paying Mexicans to do it so they don't have to get up from their netflix and cable news.
    I know it's a joke but.

    Regular people being too lazy to give a fuck is exactly how you get that. Because only the psychos are motivated to do shit.
    Lazy Americans are no joke mate..
    They don't have a shortage of psychos either tho


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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    So he's literally confirming that the U.S. is back on track to become a civilized nation again?

    c/d

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    The comments on that Newt Gingrich tweet are a testament to the fall of man.
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    gone back to the old faithful "Big Meteor 2020"

    wipe us off the face of this awful rock thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
    "out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum"

    13/88 = 14%


    Yeah, that's pretty obviously some Nazi shit.
    I think the bigger question is does that justify the persecution of these people and the abandonment of moral standards in the country they are trying to move to (illegally or otherwise).
    No. It doesn't.

    Simple, direct, clear, concise.

    Immigration Law can be enforced AND enforced in a humane, respectable, civilized, appropriate way that does not treat human beings as less than human beings.

    /endstop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
    "out of 88 claims that pass the credible fear screening, fewer than 13 will ultimately result in a grant of asylum"

    13/88 = 14%


    Yeah, that's pretty obviously some Nazi shit.
    I think the bigger question is does that justify the persecution of these people and the abandonment of moral standards in the country they are trying to move to (illegally or otherwise).
    No. It doesn't.

    Simple, direct, clear, concise.

    Immigration Law can be enforced AND enforced in a humane, respectable, civilized, appropriate way that does not treat human beings as less than human beings.

    /endstop
    OK, so we're on the same page.

    Next step then: enforcement like that requires funding (and a different mindset, but let's leave that for now). Funding the GOP/Trump doesn't want to give it unless it comes with $25B for building a wall. That we can all agree won't do any good when it comes to solving the immigration issue.

    The Democrats, quite reasonably, won't ever vote in favour of funding Trump's moronic wall. Even some Republicans won't.

    So now what?

    The only solution to this GOP/Trump created deadlock is for the GOP to tell Trump to go to hell, and compromise with the Democrats on a proper immigration bill.

    We all know how probable that is.

    So now what?
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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