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    Incarceration is a rarely a good solution to crime and should be treated as a last resort in general. Sadly, "lock em up" is one of those overly simplistic solutions that people seem to flock to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    Incarceration is a rarely a good solution to crime and should be treated as a last resort in general. Sadly, "lock em up" is one of those overly simplistic solutions that people seem to flock to.
    Many in the U.S. have a hard time with more progressive systems. They have trouble seeing a person commit a crime, and get something they see as "good" out of it, as opposed to something bad i.e. punishment.

    It can be shown that say, giving an offender classes and some fiscal aid, and not incarcerating them at all, may be the "best" method......but it'll be very difficult to get Americans to accept that the result of their car being stolen or their friend being beaten should be the offender gets free school, some cash and a stern talking to about not doing it again.


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    It's not that surprising, it goes hand in hand with the right-leaning policies of poor worker protections and extremely limited welfare/benefit systems, which typically cut your nose off to spite your face when it comes to things like crime rates and economic performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    Incarceration is a rarely a good solution to crime and should be treated as a last resort in general. Sadly, "lock em up" is one of those overly simplistic solutions that people seem to flock to.
    careful now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    Incarceration is a rarely a good solution to crime and should be treated as a last resort in general. Sadly, "lock em up" is one of those overly simplistic solutions that people seem to flock to.
    Many in the U.S. have a hard time with more progressive systems. They have trouble seeing a person commit a crime, and get something they see as "good" out of it, as opposed to something bad i.e. punishment.

    It can be shown that say, giving an offender classes and some fiscal aid, and not incarcerating them at all, may be the "best" method......but it'll be very difficult to get Americans to accept that the result of their car being stolen or their friend being beaten should be the offender gets free school, some cash and a stern talking to about not doing it again.
    The root problem will always be the conditions of the prisons.

    It creates a barbaric mindset where long term planning and executive thinking are amputated entirely. Someone who spends a few years in one of these shitholes has spent all their time trying to avoid being a victim. Naturally someone with these impulses will end up failing in the outside world.

    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    It's not that surprising, it goes hand in hand with the right-leaning policies of poor worker protections and extremely limited welfare/benefit systems, which typically cut your nose off to spite your face when it comes to things like crime rates and economic performance.
    Imagine if we didn't have millions of unproductive or damaged people. Untreated mental illness, addiction, never taught how to function in the real world, etc. This is a system that thinks its preserving itself, when all its been doing is dragging itself down.
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    Marie Antionette scenes intensify

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    I think we should go back to putting people back in a stockade, or public whipping for minor crimes tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post


    Marie Antionette scenes intensify
    Mad scenes on Twitter today, ranging from "I liked her better when she was missing" to "is she having a breakdown".

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
    I think we should go back to putting people back in a stockade, or public whipping for minor crimes tbh.
    What do you mean back to? Isn't that progressive in the US? I mean you aren't shooting them or sticking them in prison for multiple years because they cant pay the smallish fine... Some people would think just publicly whipping them would be more humane.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lana Torrin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by I Legionnaire View Post
    I think we should go back to putting people back in a stockade, or public whipping for minor crimes tbh.
    What do you mean back to? Isn't that progressive in the US? I mean you aren't shooting them or sticking them in prison for multiple years because they cant pay the smallish fine... Some people would think just publicly whipping them would be more humane.
    Actually it probably is a better solution for people who can't pay a fine.

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    Land of the free
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Christian values at display.

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    They're immigrants, not humans, so it's *obviously* just fine, don't you see?

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    Incarceration should be used as a punishment for violent crimes or crimes that endanger society.

    We need to cancel the War on Drugs. Also, no true conservative would support the privatization of prisons. Taking away rights enshrined in our Constitution should be limited to state organizations only. Fucking disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    Incarceration should be used as a punishment for violent crimes or crimes that endanger society.

    We need to cancel the War on Drugs. Also, no true conservative would support the privatization of prisons. Taking away rights enshrined in our Constitution should be limited to state organizations only. Fucking disgusting.
    Good thing this doesn't actually exist and instead you have a bunch of morally bankrupt lying assholes who are selling you out worse than the dems ever did.
    meh

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    Hilary would’ve been just as bad guys!!111

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    Their parents should have thought about it before they got caught

    Quit whining


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smarnca View Post
    Their parents should have thought about it before they got caught

    Quit whining

    kill yourself peasant

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