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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I always thought it was weird how few representative there were in such large country.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappo...nt_Act_of_1929

    “1881, a provision for equally populated contiguous and compact single member districts was added to the reapportionment law, and this was echoed in all decennial reapportionment acts through to 1911.

    Then, in 1920, the Republicans removed the Democrats from power as the Whigs had done in 1838, taking the presidency and both houses of Congress. Due to increased immigration and a large rural-to-urban shift in population from 1910 to 1920, the new Republican Congress refused to reapportion the House of Representatives with the traditional contiguous, single-member districts stipulations because such a reapportionment would have redistricted many House members out of their districts. A reapportionment in 1921 in the traditional fashion would have increased the size of the House to 483 seats, but many members would have lost their seats due to the population shifts, and the House chamber did not have adequate seats for 483 members. By 1929, no reapportionment had been made since 1911, and there was vast representational inequity, measured by the average district size; by 1929 some states had districts twice as large as others due to population growth and demographic shift.”
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    Really cool how the USA is suffering because of corruption dating back to the gilded age

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    Raul Reyes: Chances are, we have not heard the last from Beto

    On Tuesday, just hours before the polls closed in Texas, Beyonce made a surprise endorsement for Democrat Beto O'Rourke over Republican Ted Cruz in the race for Texas senator. Maybe Queen Bey should have weighed in a little sooner. Maybe O'Rourke should have run a more traditional campaign, instead of refusing to run negative ads. Maybe O'Rourke should have worked harder at winning over Republican voters, rather than focusing on identifying new voters.

    The "what-if's" will no doubt linger around O'Rourke's candidacy for a long time, as incumbent Cruz defeated him in the Lone Star State by single digits. Though O'Rourke excited voters in a way reminiscent of Barack Obama, this was not Beto's night. His narrow defeat was a heartbreaker for Democrats who have long dreamed of turning this state blue.

    Still, this has been an extraordinary campaign, one that O'Rourke can and should be proud of. If he had run a conventional campaign, it likely would not have captured national attention, inspired Texas Democrats and made "Beto" a household name. O'Rourke should be pleased with the fact that he has awakened the state's Democrats. Just the fact that, until around 10 p.m. Tuesday night, the race was seen as a tossup is an accomplishment in itself.

    O'Rourke has shown that a progressive Democrat can mount a serious challenge in a red state. He has brought in thousands of first-time voters, among them many Latinos and millennials. And he did this while refraining from personal attacks and staying true to his inclusive values.

    Ted Cruz likely benefitted from the structural electoral advantages that Republicans enjoy in Texas -- as well as a healthy dose of political tribalism. But thanks to his charisma and sharp political instincts, O'Rourke has made a substantial impact on Texas politics. He is well-positioned to challenge Sen. John Cornyn, or even consider a presidential run. Chances are, we have not heard the last from Beto.

    Raul A. Reyes is an attorney and member of the USA Today board of contributors. Follow him on Twitter @RaulAReyes.
    Celebs react to Ted Cruz defeating Beto O'Rourke in Texas Senate race: 'Now he can run for President'

    After Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, won a second term on Tuesday defeating Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke, many celebrities backing Beto took to Twitter with their sights set on 2020.

    "Beto lost? That’s ok," actress Alyssa Milano tweeted. "Now he can run for President."

    "#Beto2020," Milano wrote in a follow-up tweet.

    Echoed fellow star Olivia Wilde: "Beto 2020. Let’s do this."

    Actress Busy Philipps also took to social media to express her hopes of O'Rourke running against President Trump in two years.

    "Beto/Gillum 2020," Philipps tweeted referring to Democrat Andrew Gillum who was defeated on Tuesday by Republican Ron DeSantis in the battle to be Florida’s next governor.

    "Looks like Dems will take the house! Do not let all of the other noise tonight deflate you. We finally have a check on the President. Tonight is a win for democracy. Oh and...#Beto2020," tweeted actor-comedian Josh Gad.

    Ike Barinholtz wrote: "Ah s--t Beto didn’t make it to the Senate. Oh well at least he’ll be president soon."

    "K so @betoorourke for 2020?" Olympic freestyle skier, Gus Kenworthy, tweeted.

    Hours before Cruz officially defeated O'Rourke international news service Reuters informed its 20 million Twitter followers Tuesday afternoon that O’Rourke is a winner, regardless of whether or not he pulls off a shock victory over Cruz.

    “Win or lose, Beto O’Rourke set to emerge victorious,” Reuters’ tweeted from its verified account, adding a link to the news gathering service’s Election Day coverage and a nearly two-minute, slickly produced video declaring O'Rourke victorious...one way or another.

    O’Rourke, a three-term congressman and former El Paso city council member, was attempting to become the first Democrat to win statewide office in Texas since 1994.

    His challenge to Cruz was bolstered by more than $70 million in donations from across the country, making the race the most expensive Senate contest in U.S. history.

    Fox News' Brian Flood and Samuel Chamberlin contributed to this report.

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-for-president

    "Beto", i.e. Robert Francis "Not in any way Hispanic" O'Rourke, cultural appropriator, uber-level Rock Star of the Democratic Party, didn't REALLY lose.......he just gets a free pass now to be.....wait for it......the Next President of the United States!

    He is sooooo dreamy tho......and bonus points for being in a band with the dude from the future Mars Volta.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Celebs react to Ted Cruz defeating Beto O'Rourke in Texas Senate race: 'Now he can run for President'

    After Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, won a second term on Tuesday defeating Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke, many celebrities backing Beto took to Twitter with their sights set on 2020.

    "Beto lost? That’s ok," actress Alyssa Milano tweeted. "Now he can run for President."

    "Beto", i.e. Robert Francis "Not in any way Hispanic" O'Rourke, cultural appropriator, uber-level Rock Star of the Democratic Party, didn't REALLY lose.......he just gets a free pass now to be.....wait for it......the Next President of the United States!

    He is sooooo dreamy tho......and bonus points for being in a band with the dude from the future Mars Volta.
    This is exactly what is wrong with the Democratic party establishment. The leadership is completely corrupt and as long as you are enough of a yes-man (OR LADY) your position within the party is safe.

    Beto will get crushed by Kamala Harris though.

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    Worked for Lincoln.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Raul Reyes: Chances are, we have not heard the last from Beto

    On Tuesday, just hours before the polls closed in Texas, Beyonce made a surprise endorsement for Democrat Beto O'Rourke over Republican Ted Cruz in the race for Texas senator. Maybe Queen Bey should have weighed in a little sooner. Maybe O'Rourke should have run a more traditional campaign, instead of refusing to run negative ads. Maybe O'Rourke should have worked harder at winning over Republican voters, rather than focusing on identifying new voters.

    The "what-if's" will no doubt linger around O'Rourke's candidacy for a long time, as incumbent Cruz defeated him in the Lone Star State by single digits. Though O'Rourke excited voters in a way reminiscent of Barack Obama, this was not Beto's night. His narrow defeat was a heartbreaker for Democrats who have long dreamed of turning this state blue.

    Still, this has been an extraordinary campaign, one that O'Rourke can and should be proud of. If he had run a conventional campaign, it likely would not have captured national attention, inspired Texas Democrats and made "Beto" a household name. O'Rourke should be pleased with the fact that he has awakened the state's Democrats. Just the fact that, until around 10 p.m. Tuesday night, the race was seen as a tossup is an accomplishment in itself.

    O'Rourke has shown that a progressive Democrat can mount a serious challenge in a red state. He has brought in thousands of first-time voters, among them many Latinos and millennials. And he did this while refraining from personal attacks and staying true to his inclusive values.

    Ted Cruz likely benefitted from the structural electoral advantages that Republicans enjoy in Texas -- as well as a healthy dose of political tribalism. But thanks to his charisma and sharp political instincts, O'Rourke has made a substantial impact on Texas politics. He is well-positioned to challenge Sen. John Cornyn, or even consider a presidential run. Chances are, we have not heard the last from Beto.

    Raul A. Reyes is an attorney and member of the USA Today board of contributors. Follow him on Twitter @RaulAReyes.
    Celebs react to Ted Cruz defeating Beto O'Rourke in Texas Senate race: 'Now he can run for President'

    After Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, won a second term on Tuesday defeating Democratic challenger Beto O’Rourke, many celebrities backing Beto took to Twitter with their sights set on 2020.

    "Beto lost? That’s ok," actress Alyssa Milano tweeted. "Now he can run for President."

    "#Beto2020," Milano wrote in a follow-up tweet.

    Echoed fellow star Olivia Wilde: "Beto 2020. Let’s do this."

    Actress Busy Philipps also took to social media to express her hopes of O'Rourke running against President Trump in two years.

    "Beto/Gillum 2020," Philipps tweeted referring to Democrat Andrew Gillum who was defeated on Tuesday by Republican Ron DeSantis in the battle to be Florida’s next governor.

    "Looks like Dems will take the house! Do not let all of the other noise tonight deflate you. We finally have a check on the President. Tonight is a win for democracy. Oh and...#Beto2020," tweeted actor-comedian Josh Gad.

    Ike Barinholtz wrote: "Ah s--t Beto didn’t make it to the Senate. Oh well at least he’ll be president soon."

    "K so @betoorourke for 2020?" Olympic freestyle skier, Gus Kenworthy, tweeted.

    Hours before Cruz officially defeated O'Rourke international news service Reuters informed its 20 million Twitter followers Tuesday afternoon that O’Rourke is a winner, regardless of whether or not he pulls off a shock victory over Cruz.

    “Win or lose, Beto O’Rourke set to emerge victorious,” Reuters’ tweeted from its verified account, adding a link to the news gathering service’s Election Day coverage and a nearly two-minute, slickly produced video declaring O'Rourke victorious...one way or another.

    O’Rourke, a three-term congressman and former El Paso city council member, was attempting to become the first Democrat to win statewide office in Texas since 1994.

    His challenge to Cruz was bolstered by more than $70 million in donations from across the country, making the race the most expensive Senate contest in U.S. history.

    Fox News' Brian Flood and Samuel Chamberlin contributed to this report.

    https://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...-for-president

    "Beto", i.e. Robert Francis "Not in any way Hispanic" O'Rourke, cultural appropriator, uber-level Rock Star of the Democratic Party, didn't REALLY lose.......he just gets a free pass now to be.....wait for it......the Next President of the United States!

    He is sooooo dreamy tho......and bonus points for being in a band with the dude from the future Mars Volta.
    He did better than any Dem in Texas since like, forever. Why wouldn't they use him as a chance to win the south.

    Also, 'Cultural Appropriator' is laughable when the other side are literal nazis (referring to Boehners admission that some of the R congressthings where actual nazis).
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Worked for Lincoln.

    Didn't work for Hillary.

    < this guy beat her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Worked for Lincoln.

    Didn't work for Hillary.

    Yeah but Hillary won her senate race(s), and was never a US Representative.

    Also, it was a joke. O’Rourke is no Lincoln, though he could probably do a solid Lincoln cosplay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Yeah but Hillary won her senate race(s), and was never a US Representative.

    Also, it was a joke. O’Rourke is no Lincoln, though he could probably do a solid Lincoln cosplay.
    Yeah I know you were joking but I think it's a serious problem with the Democrats that as long as you are liked by the party your position is safe even if you are an ineffective politician. They will never allow an Ocasio-Cortez to happen again, to the party establishment losing Joe Crowley was a massive upset. He was supposed to be next in line after Nancy Pelosi.

    Also Hillary was bequeathed a safe seat in New York (she is from Arkansas..) by the party establishment because, again, she is a master of backroom party politics if nothing else.

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    Oh I’m well aware.

    2020 Dem presidential primaries are gonna be a mess of epic proportions. Everyone is going to run, and whoever wins will have little clear mandate, I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Oh I’m well aware.

    2020 Dem presidential primaries are gonna be a mess of epic proportions. Everyone is going to run, and whoever wins will have little clear mandate, I suspect.
    I am standing firm on my prediction that Kamala Harris wins the primary. She's like Hillary (master at backroom politics, corporatist lackey, etc) except not rabidly hated by half of the country.

    Oh, and she will lose to Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Also, 'Cultural Appropriator' is laughable when the other side are literal nazis (referring to Boehners admission that some of the R congressthings where actual nazis).
    Whatabout all those literal Nazis! They're appropriating German culture!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Worked for Lincoln.

    Didn't work for Hillary.

    < this guy beat her
    Morgan Freeman?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.
    I cannot wait to hear her speeches once she is in office.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.
    I cannot wait to hear her speeches once she is in office.
    I'd rather listen to her than some senile corrupt geriatric under whose 'wise leadership' the nation has been driven into a ditch.

    Over 65, time to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.
    I cannot wait to hear her speeches once she is in office.
    The fact that you're this triggered by the idea of a young women in politics is a) hilarious and b) very telling

    You just can't help yourself can you? Despite how much you try to hide your insecurities

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.
    I cannot wait to hear her speeches once she is in office.
    The fact that you're this triggered by the idea of a young women in politics is a) hilarious and b) very telling

    You just can't help yourself can you? Despite how much you try to hide your insecurities
    He's not triggered by the fact that she's young or a woman; he's triggered by the fact that she's left of the average Democratic Party politician and is vocal about that fact, and derives much of her popularity from that fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Ocasio-Cortez is a kid and won't or at least shouldn't run for anything major for 10 more years.
    Yepp, all those mature adults have served the country well in the past ...
    She literally can’t run for president until 2028. People need to chill. She has a long career ahead of her; let’s just see how she handles one term in Congress first.
    I cannot wait to hear her speeches once she is in office.
    I'd rather listen to her than some senile corrupt geriatric under whose 'wise leadership' the nation has been driven into a ditch.

    Over 65, time to die.
    You know I'm not over 65 yet, right?

    I prefer a little more real-world experience and knowledge from my leaders than what she brings frankly, but I also prefer my leaders be conscious and awake at meetings, something the over 70-set often have trouble with tbqh.

    I think there may be a happy middle ground on this one, to be fair.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    He's not triggered by the fact that she's young or a woman; he's triggered by the fact that she's left of the average Democratic Party politician and is vocal about that fact, and derives much of her popularity from that fact.
    Honestly, I'm glad to see a few further-left folks actually get seats in power. I just prefer them to actually know a little something first.

    I think she is going to be a laugh early on tbqh.

    You listen to her talk in her interviews, it becomes clear rather quickly she has less knowledge and understanding of Government and how it works than Xenosis has.

    She certainly says very popular (if exceedingly simplistic) things to-date, but she clearly has no idea whatsoever how those things can actually be made real or how Government would/could do it in practical application or in legislation.

    I wish her luck. She's going to need it now that she is an actual Congressperson, and not just a candidate.

    #Beto/Ortez2020
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