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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    ideally you'd want those running when you've got a surplus of energy available from renewable sources, i would argue for a "usage hierarchy" That goes domestic consumption > light industry/commercial consumption > heavy industry consumption, however some industrial processes, specifically stuff dealing in metals aren't really something you can just shut down and start up in a couple of hours, any sort of sane power-grid relies on nuclear plants for base load and come with a heavy focus on renewable sources.

    waste products can, generally speaking, be managed and often recycled successfully and it's actually something European industry has gotten really good at the last 20 or so years from my understanding, beyond that it's often possible to exploit said waste products, waste heat from this place basically provide around half the city's central heating.
    Good plan if you want to kill any sort of modern industry.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Priorize fixing/repairing over replacing, i.e. non-replaceable cell phone batteries.
    as an aside, whomever decided to glue a battery into a phone should be flogged then shot. BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

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    They probably saved more material by making phones thinner and stronger than they did by removing the ability for users to replace batteries, because it's something users almost never did in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Priorize fixing/repairing over replacing, i.e. non-replaceable cell phone batteries.
    as an aside, whomever decided to glue a battery into a phone should be flogged then shot. BRING BACK CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.
    I'd support this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    If you put together all the tech available today and combine it with a dramatic change in behavior of us, I think the resulting comfort level wouldn't be that much lower than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    I like Christmas and the lighting, it genuinely makes me less depressed. And that can take some doing.
    it is massively wasteful obviously though, can't argue there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    swap the bulbs to LED's and keep it around tbh, but then i AM a bit biased considering the latitude i live at, December has like 5-6 hours of daylight and you're spending those hours indoors anyway.

    it's not that it's not wasteful, it's just that at least it's not pointlessly wasteful y'kno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Pretty much. Something to brighten up the distinctly grim winters is welcome. But definitely no reason not to have LEDs at all, absolutely.


    Well, my lifestyle is obviously as wasteful as anybody's here, so I'm not pointing at you specifically. It's just a very good example of how hard especially the change in attitude will be.

    As for the LEDs vs. regular light bulbs specifically: it's not just about power consumption, but also about producing those in the first place and the resources needed for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    If you put together all the tech available today and combine it with a dramatic change in behavior of us, I think the resulting comfort level wouldn't be that much lower than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    I like Christmas and the lighting, it genuinely makes me less depressed. And that can take some doing.
    it is massively wasteful obviously though, can't argue there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    swap the bulbs to LED's and keep it around tbh, but then i AM a bit biased considering the latitude i live at, December has like 5-6 hours of daylight and you're spending those hours indoors anyway.

    it's not that it's not wasteful, it's just that at least it's not pointlessly wasteful y'kno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Pretty much. Something to brighten up the distinctly grim winters is welcome. But definitely no reason not to have LEDs at all, absolutely.


    Well, my lifestyle is obviously as wasteful as anybody's here, so I'm not pointing at you specifically. It's just a very good example of how hard especially the change in attitude will be.

    As for the LEDs vs. regular light bulbs specifically: it's not just about power consumption, but also about producing those in the first place and the resources needed for that.
    Point away matey, i'm not certainly making no claims about not being wasteful. I like Christmas lighting, it makes me feel happy, and being happy is better than crushing misery and depression, waste be damned.
    But i will swap for LEDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    If you put together all the tech available today and combine it with a dramatic change in behavior of us, I think the resulting comfort level wouldn't be that much lower than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    I like Christmas and the lighting, it genuinely makes me less depressed. And that can take some doing.
    it is massively wasteful obviously though, can't argue there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    swap the bulbs to LED's and keep it around tbh, but then i AM a bit biased considering the latitude i live at, December has like 5-6 hours of daylight and you're spending those hours indoors anyway.

    it's not that it's not wasteful, it's just that at least it's not pointlessly wasteful y'kno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Pretty much. Something to brighten up the distinctly grim winters is welcome. But definitely no reason not to have LEDs at all, absolutely.


    Well, my lifestyle is obviously as wasteful as anybody's here, so I'm not pointing at you specifically. It's just a very good example of how hard especially the change in attitude will be.

    As for the LEDs vs. regular light bulbs specifically: it's not just about power consumption, but also about producing those in the first place and the resources needed for that.
    Point away matey, i'm not certainly making no claims about not being wasteful. I like Christmas lighting, it makes me feel happy, and being happy is better than crushing misery and depression, waste be damned.
    But i will swap for LEDs.
    This: I'm not pointing at you specifically should read I'm not pointing at you guys specifically.

    And no - I'm not gonna point at anyone. I live a middle-class lifestyle in a wealthy western democracy = in comparison to earth's population, there's very few people on earth that contribute more to the overall waste of resources than me.

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    Its all good.

    Ultimately i think we can all agree that the massively rabid consumerism and rampant commercialisation of Christmas is a wonderful thing, and really what else matters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Its all good.

    Ultimately i think we can all agree that the massively rabid consumerism and rampant commercialisation of Christmas is a wonderful thing, and really what else matters?
    boxing day sales.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Its all good.

    Ultimately i think we can all agree that the massively rabid consumerism and rampant commercialisation of Christmas is a wonderful thing, and really what else matters?
    I just like having time off work and eating too much with a roaring fire.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    ideally you'd want those running when you've got a surplus of energy available from renewable sources, i would argue for a "usage hierarchy" That goes domestic consumption > light industry/commercial consumption > heavy industry consumption, however some industrial processes, specifically stuff dealing in metals aren't really something you can just shut down and start up in a couple of hours, any sort of sane power-grid relies on nuclear plants for base load and come with a heavy focus on renewable sources.

    waste products can, generally speaking, be managed and often recycled successfully and it's actually something European industry has gotten really good at the last 20 or so years from my understanding, beyond that it's often possible to exploit said waste products, waste heat from this place basically provide around half the city's central heating.
    Good plan if you want to kill any sort of modern industry.
    with unstable grid due to the prevaliance of wind and solar power, and the infeasibility of grid scale electricity storage, would you rather reverse that prioritization ?

    moreover, the point is to scale industry to meet demand, not maximize production and create demand via advertising.
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    ideally you'd want those running when you've got a surplus of energy available from renewable sources, i would argue for a "usage hierarchy" That goes domestic consumption > light industry/commercial consumption > heavy industry consumption, however some industrial processes, specifically stuff dealing in metals aren't really something you can just shut down and start up in a couple of hours, any sort of sane power-grid relies on nuclear plants for base load and come with a heavy focus on renewable sources.

    waste products can, generally speaking, be managed and often recycled successfully and it's actually something European industry has gotten really good at the last 20 or so years from my understanding, beyond that it's often possible to exploit said waste products, waste heat from this place basically provide around half the city's central heating.
    Good plan if you want to kill any sort of modern industry.
    with unstable grid due to the prevaliance of wind and solar power, and the infeasibility of grid scale electricity storage, would you rather reverse that prioritization ?

    moreover, the point is to scale industry to meet demand, not maximize production and create demand via advertising.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    I was somewhere around Old Man Star, on the edge of Essence, when drugs began to take hold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    If you put together all the tech available today and combine it with a dramatic change in behavior of us, I think the resulting comfort level wouldn't be that much lower than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    I like Christmas and the lighting, it genuinely makes me less depressed. And that can take some doing.
    it is massively wasteful obviously though, can't argue there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    swap the bulbs to LED's and keep it around tbh, but then i AM a bit biased considering the latitude i live at, December has like 5-6 hours of daylight and you're spending those hours indoors anyway.

    it's not that it's not wasteful, it's just that at least it's not pointlessly wasteful y'kno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Pretty much. Something to brighten up the distinctly grim winters is welcome. But definitely no reason not to have LEDs at all, absolutely.


    Well, my lifestyle is obviously as wasteful as anybody's here, so I'm not pointing at you specifically. It's just a very good example of how hard especially the change in attitude will be.

    As for the LEDs vs. regular light bulbs specifically: it's not just about power consumption, but also about producing those in the first place and the resources needed for that.
    Point away matey, i'm not certainly making no claims about not being wasteful. I like Christmas lighting, it makes me feel happy, and being happy is better than crushing misery and depression, waste be damned.
    But i will swap for LEDs.
    This: I'm not pointing at you specifically should read I'm not pointing at you guys specifically.

    And no - I'm not gonna point at anyone. I live a middle-class lifestyle in a wealthy western democracy = in comparison to earth's population, there's very few people on earth that contribute more to the overall waste of resources than me.
    On the bright side, you also enjoy a standard and quality of living that exceeds (materially) that of 99.99999% of human being who have ever lived to-date.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    If you put together all the tech available today and combine it with a dramatic change in behavior of us, I think the resulting comfort level wouldn't be that much lower than today.
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    I like Christmas and the lighting, it genuinely makes me less depressed. And that can take some doing.
    it is massively wasteful obviously though, can't argue there.
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    swap the bulbs to LED's and keep it around tbh, but then i AM a bit biased considering the latitude i live at, December has like 5-6 hours of daylight and you're spending those hours indoors anyway.

    it's not that it's not wasteful, it's just that at least it's not pointlessly wasteful y'kno?
    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Pretty much. Something to brighten up the distinctly grim winters is welcome. But definitely no reason not to have LEDs at all, absolutely.


    Well, my lifestyle is obviously as wasteful as anybody's here, so I'm not pointing at you specifically. It's just a very good example of how hard especially the change in attitude will be.

    As for the LEDs vs. regular light bulbs specifically: it's not just about power consumption, but also about producing those in the first place and the resources needed for that.
    Point away matey, i'm not certainly making no claims about not being wasteful. I like Christmas lighting, it makes me feel happy, and being happy is better than crushing misery and depression, waste be damned.
    But i will swap for LEDs.
    This: I'm not pointing at you specifically should read I'm not pointing at you guys specifically.

    And no - I'm not gonna point at anyone. I live a middle-class lifestyle in a wealthy western democracy = in comparison to earth's population, there's very few people on earth that contribute more to the overall waste of resources than me.
    On the bright side, you also enjoy a standard and quality of living that exceeds (materially) that of 99.99999% of human being who have ever lived to-date.


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    far left : well that, except for the lizards.


    one has to wonder, who's side the Koch brothers are on, i mean first there's that study that indicate that socialized healthcare is straight up cheaper and better than the current status quo in the US, and now they've gone and found that the sort of stuff the left are demanding for is broadly popular.

    of course, it's not going to matter because the Democrats are going to run a "appeal to the centrist republicans!" nobody, or just straight up Clinton again. but then, being the woman who lost to Trump twice would put her in the history books.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    far left : well that, except for the lizards.


    one has to wonder, who's side the Koch brothers are on, i mean first there's that study that indicate that socialized healthcare is straight up cheaper and better than the current status quo in the US, and now they've gone and found that the sort of stuff the left are demanding for is broadly popular.

    of course, it's not going to matter because the Democrats are going to run a "appeal to the centrist republicans!" nobody, or just straight up Clinton again. but then, being the woman who lost to Trump twice would put her in the history books.
    Viking, n.:
    1. Daring Scandinavian seafarers, explorers, adventurers, entrepreneurs world-famous for their aggressive, nautical import business, highly leveraged takeovers and blue eyes.
    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    far left : well that, except for the lizards.


    one has to wonder, who's side the Koch brothers are on, i mean first there's that study that indicate that socialized healthcare is straight up cheaper and better than the current status quo in the US, and now they've gone and found that the sort of stuff the left are demanding for is broadly popular.

    of course, it's not going to matter because the Democrats are going to run a "appeal to the centrist republicans!" nobody, or just straight up Clinton again. but then, being the woman who lost to Trump twice would put her in the history books.
    I mean, it should be obvious that the Koch brothers are on the Koch brothers side, and if that means a $15 minimum wage, to stave off the prole uprising so they can avoid being eaten for a few more years, then that's probably what they'll do.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    far left : well that, except for the lizards.


    one has to wonder, who's side the Koch brothers are on, i mean first there's that study that indicate that socialized healthcare is straight up cheaper and better than the current status quo in the US, and now they've gone and found that the sort of stuff the left are demanding for is broadly popular.

    of course, it's not going to matter because the Democrats are going to run a "appeal to the centrist republicans!" nobody, or just straight up Clinton again. but then, being the woman who lost to Trump twice would put her in the history books.
    I mean, it should be obvious that the Koch brothers are on the Koch brothers side,
    I suspect that that in their eyes there isn't even any other side to consider.

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    War on Christmas spotted. LED = Lucifer's electric device. Gotta keep them yule logs (fossil fuels) burning.
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