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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    and has the biggest nuclear arsenal at disposal
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    do you not see something wrong with the way policing is done in that video?

    First you have multiple 80-100k/year cops trolling the beaches for underage drinking. A 19 year old drinking on the beach is a moral panic on par with D&D causing satanism

    Then the guy loses his temper and punches her in the head several times while restraining her.

    I'm not sure why people think thats okay
    You're on drugs if you think cops are making $100k a year.
    Idk where you live m8, but that’s totally what they make where I live. I have a PD friend who earns>100k

    According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary of police officers in the San Jose metro area was $114,520 as of 2015.1 During academy training, San Jose police cadets are paid $34.59 per hour.2 After completing California POST and police academy training and earning assignment to patrol, officers are paid an annual salary starting at $87,176, with annual step increases up to $125,504.
    I think we've established Dianeces is the one on drugs here.

    I don't have a problem with the potential for a cop to make that much, particularly if we're asking someone to do a particularly risky assignment. But too few of them act with the professionalism I'd expect someone with that salary to act. If the guys in that video are making something even approaching that for harassing people on a beach over petty violations, and I suspect they are, egads I'd be mad as a taxpayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
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    do you not see something wrong with the way policing is done in that video?

    First you have multiple 80-100k/year cops trolling the beaches for underage drinking. A 19 year old drinking on the beach is a moral panic on par with D&D causing satanism

    Then the guy loses his temper and punches her in the head several times while restraining her.

    I'm not sure why people think thats okay
    You're on drugs if you think cops are making $100k a year.
    Idk where you live m8, but that’s totally what they make where I live. I have a PD friend who earns>100k

    According to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, the average annual salary of police officers in the San Jose metro area was $114,520 as of 2015.1 During academy training, San Jose police cadets are paid $34.59 per hour.2 After completing California POST and police academy training and earning assignment to patrol, officers are paid an annual salary starting at $87,176, with annual step increases up to $125,504.
    I think we've established Dianeces is the one on drugs here.

    I don't have a problem with the potential for a cop to make that much, particularly if we're asking someone to do a particularly risky assignment. But too few of them act with the professionalism I'd expect someone with that salary to act. If the guys in that video are making something even approaching that for harassing people on a beach over petty violations, and I suspect they are, egads I'd be mad as a taxpayer.
    100% agree. If that cop had a 100k job, he shouldn’t anymore, and should never be allowed to be a cop again, but with that said, SJPD don’t seem terrible, have a pretty broad racial basis (a lot of Asian cops in this part of the world) and we have the occasional cop shooting someone but they are mostly the kind of shooting where the perp has a gun. I don’t think the pop in hyper liberal Santa Clara county will stand for executions of black peoples or anything so I’d like to think community standards are a bit higher here.
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    Damn son

    And cops here make 800€ a month



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    Cops are paid well because of ridiculously powerful and corrupt police unions.

    Many precincts do not require their officers to undergo drug tests by the way, because of the unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Cops are paid well because of ridiculously powerful and corrupt police unions.

    Many precincts do not require their officers to undergo drug tests by the way, because of the unions.
    Well, nothing ever goes wrong when cops are underpaid, either. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Cops are paid well because of ridiculously powerful and corrupt police unions.

    Many precincts do not require their officers to undergo drug tests by the way, because of the unions.
    Well, nothing ever goes wrong when cops are underpaid, either. Right?
    I have no problem with cops in Silicon Valley being paid enough to actually live in the communities they serve. That means 100k+ salaries.

    Paying them any less would basically force them into an hour plus commute, and that’s before we get to talk about how dangerous disconnected cops are.
    meh

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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d5e89e1e4824

    Nathan Larson, a 37-year-old accountant from Charlottesville, Virginia, is running for Congress as an independent candidate in his native state. He is also a pedophile, as he admitted to HuffPost on Thursday, who has bragged in website posts about raping his late ex-wife.

    In a phone call, Larson confirmed that he created the now-defunct websites suiped.org and incelocalypse.today ― chat rooms that served as gathering places for pedophiles and violence-minded misogynists like himself. HuffPost contacted Larson after confirming that his campaign website shared an IP address with these forums, among others. His sites were terminated by their domain host on Tuesday.

    On the phone, he was open about his pedophilia and seemingly unfazed about his long odds of attaining government office.

    “A lot of people are tired of political correctness and being constrained by it,” he said. “People prefer when there’s an outsider who doesn’t have anything to lose and is willing to say what’s on a lot of people’s minds.”

    When asked whether he’s a pedophile or just writes about pedophilia, he said, “It’s a mix of both. When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say.”

    Asked whether there was a “grain of truth” in his essay about father-daughter incest and another about raping his ex-wife repeatedly, he said yes, offering that plenty of women have rape fantasies.

    According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

    In the manifesto, Larson called Nazi leader Adolf Hitler a “white supremacist hero.” He urged Congress to repeal the Violence Against Women Act, adding, “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands.” He also showed sympathy for men who identify as involuntary celibates, or incels, suggesting it is unfair that they “are forced to pay taxes for schools, welfare, and other support for other men’s children.”

    Using the pseudonyms Leucosticte and Lysander, Larson frequently participated in conversations on his own message boards, he confirmed to HuffPost.

    As Lysander on suiped.org, a forum for “suicidal pedophiles,” Larson wrote numerous posts endorsing child rape and other forms of sexual abuse.

    “Why doesn’t every pedo just focus on making money so they can get a pedo-wife and then either impregnate her with some fucktoys or adopt some fucktoys?” he wrote on the platform in October. “That would accommodate both those who are and aren’t into incest. And of course, the adoption process lets you pick a boy or a girl.”

    Larson has a 3-year-old daughter who lives with relatives. He told HuffPost that he relinquished his parental rights during a custody battle. His ex-wife got a court-ordered restraining order against him in 2015 before she died by suicide. He has since remarried, he says, and is now living in Catlett, Virginia.

    Larson used the moniker “Leucosticte” on incelocalypse.today ― a forum for incels who are pedophiles that was removed this week after the website Babe contacted the domain host. There, he identified as a “hebephilic rapist,” noting that he’s not a typical incel because he’d had sex by raping his ex-wife.

    According to the site, which HuffPost viewed before it was taken down, “incelocalypse” refers to “the day we make the jailbaits our rape-slaves.” (The term “jailbait” is slang for a person who is under the legal age of consent for sex.)


    There's more in the article but I'm not going to quote it because it's sickening and this is already a long post

    This guy (thankfully) had no hope of ever holding political office, but it's still completely insane

    How do you get to the point where you're saying this shit to a national news site and not thinking "what the everloving fuck am I doing"

    to top it all off, his partner killed themselves, so nothing will come of his "I raped my wife to have a child I could molest" statement
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0d5e89e1e4824

    Nathan Larson, a 37-year-old accountant from Charlottesville, Virginia, is running for Congress as an independent candidate in his native state. He is also a pedophile, as he admitted to HuffPost on Thursday, who has bragged in website posts about raping his late ex-wife.

    In a phone call, Larson confirmed that he created the now-defunct websites suiped.org and incelocalypse.today ― chat rooms that served as gathering places for pedophiles and violence-minded misogynists like himself. HuffPost contacted Larson after confirming that his campaign website shared an IP address with these forums, among others. His sites were terminated by their domain host on Tuesday.

    On the phone, he was open about his pedophilia and seemingly unfazed about his long odds of attaining government office.

    “A lot of people are tired of political correctness and being constrained by it,” he said. “People prefer when there’s an outsider who doesn’t have anything to lose and is willing to say what’s on a lot of people’s minds.”

    When asked whether he’s a pedophile or just writes about pedophilia, he said, “It’s a mix of both. When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say.”

    Asked whether there was a “grain of truth” in his essay about father-daughter incest and another about raping his ex-wife repeatedly, he said yes, offering that plenty of women have rape fantasies.

    According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.

    In the manifesto, Larson called Nazi leader Adolf Hitler a “white supremacist hero.” He urged Congress to repeal the Violence Against Women Act, adding, “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands.” He also showed sympathy for men who identify as involuntary celibates, or incels, suggesting it is unfair that they “are forced to pay taxes for schools, welfare, and other support for other men’s children.”

    Using the pseudonyms Leucosticte and Lysander, Larson frequently participated in conversations on his own message boards, he confirmed to HuffPost.

    As Lysander on suiped.org, a forum for “suicidal pedophiles,” Larson wrote numerous posts endorsing child rape and other forms of sexual abuse.

    “Why doesn’t every pedo just focus on making money so they can get a pedo-wife and then either impregnate her with some fucktoys or adopt some fucktoys?” he wrote on the platform in October. “That would accommodate both those who are and aren’t into incest. And of course, the adoption process lets you pick a boy or a girl.”

    Larson has a 3-year-old daughter who lives with relatives. He told HuffPost that he relinquished his parental rights during a custody battle. His ex-wife got a court-ordered restraining order against him in 2015 before she died by suicide. He has since remarried, he says, and is now living in Catlett, Virginia.

    Larson used the moniker “Leucosticte” on incelocalypse.today ― a forum for incels who are pedophiles that was removed this week after the website Babe contacted the domain host. There, he identified as a “hebephilic rapist,” noting that he’s not a typical incel because he’d had sex by raping his ex-wife.

    According to the site, which HuffPost viewed before it was taken down, “incelocalypse” refers to “the day we make the jailbaits our rape-slaves.” (The term “jailbait” is slang for a person who is under the legal age of consent for sex.)


    There's more in the article but I'm not going to quote it because it's sickening and this is already a long post

    This guy (thankfully) had no hope of ever holding political office, but it's still completely insane

    How do you get to the point where you're saying this shit to a national news site and not thinking "what the everloving fuck am I doing"

    to top it all off, his partner killed themselves, so nothing will come of his "I raped my wife to have a child I could molest" statement
    We should probably start putting incels in camps now.
    meh

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    If they are incarcerated, maybe they will have a better chance of getting laid?
    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Cops are paid well because of ridiculously powerful and corrupt police unions.

    Many precincts do not require their officers to undergo drug tests by the way, because of the unions.
    Well, nothing ever goes wrong when cops are underpaid, either. Right?
    Would they shoot even more civilians?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Cops are paid well because of ridiculously powerful and corrupt police unions.

    Many precincts do not require their officers to undergo drug tests by the way, because of the unions.
    Well, nothing ever goes wrong when cops are underpaid, either. Right?
    Well paid enforcers are less likely to turn against the state in times of unrest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    I guess the fact that she assaults the cop and then resists arrest means the cops should just say "oh, teen age girl, can't do anything."
    In my country, Holland, we have a law thing called provocation.
    In this case it would apply so very much. The girl does get violent in the end but she is very much provoked by the police officer. She does use excessive force but she is clearly provoked.

    Just going by memory there have been 3 cases of escalating provocation in my country where random, as this is clearly imo, have gone to riots due to by standerds/people in the area in the last 5 years.
    The LEO's in charge were all out of a job and 1 even criminally charged. This type of behaviour just is not accepted in my country.
    And if i look at the vid i am thinking what the fuck kind of breath/alcohol device is that even. Huff and puff in it from a few inches and the guy takes over 3 times to get it right (did he even?).
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    America is a broken society.
    Thread really should renamed "European View on Broken America (Politics & Bad Shit) Thread" at this point tbqh.
    Nah, Iíve lived outside of the EU for a long time and have been to the states a lot.
    Because such a rename would be about you, specifically, amirite?

    Even then, you are a European (now living elsewhere) and you're not an American (tourism doesn't count), so the rename would still be apt.

    I wonder, how many born in America, raised in America, actual Americans DO we have at FHC (and this thread specifically)?

    I'd wager it's a minority of participants.
    I'm a U.S born citizen that works in the brewery industry directly, I can say with pleasure your views are not all American views, they are not the antithesis to European views either. They are more commonly conservative apologetic excuses. While you may agree somethings need to change you commonly hold back from admitting your views are perhaps on faulty ground. I have noticed this pattern over and over. I usually find myself wanting to just inflame your opinion, which is easy. I do not believe for one second you will ever change your mind. That is the common American trait I do see in you to be honest. I have formed many new opinions over the past ten years. Somethings I still hold true but I'm fully aware my generation will shape things more than yours soon, and I find most of my peers across the spectrum to be largely more liberal and accepting of socialist ideas.

    I think your concept that this is Europe looking in at the U.S is a bit daft, as America cannot avoid being examined by a world it holds grasp over, and should be examined. Also I pointed out my work with brewing because I asked about it not having the distinct displeasure of discussing cost at length with my peers across the industry. Not one thought it would be good if the price of cans skyrocketed. From Jack's Abbey and Victory down to smaller operations on the Northeast coast, everyone seemed to think that it would be very bad. You are daft as fuck about things small to large. I hope one day that dawns on you and you sit down and reassess the situation.

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    Anyone blathering on about America being a "broken society" is so privileged they should send themselves to an actually broken society to learn a thing or two. America has deep problems but it's very much functioning. Ironically the lefties there are the ones most ignoring the immigrants they're always fighting for. Those people will tell you what broken means.

    I can say with pleasure your views are not all American views
    Why would you feel the need to say that a country of 300 million people have different views on things? Of course they're not everyone's views and the only place you'll find that many people with consistent views is an actual police state with no freedom of the press.

    That is the common American trait I do see in you to be honest.
    Not only are Americans just human beings when it comes to not changing their views, but Americans are also some of the most self critical people around. The ones not busy being creepily patriotic anyway. You're crazy polarized down there and it's reflected in your crazy politics.
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    The association between low cognitive ability and prejudicial attitudes against same-sex couples holds in the presence of economic and socio-demographic variables, such as education.

    Adding to existing knowledge regarding correlations between low cognitive ability and propensity towards prejudice, new study by the University of Queensland shows that less intelligent people tend to express more prejudicial attitudes against same-sex couples.

    Titled "The Cognitive Roots of Prejudice Towards Same-Sex Couples: An Analysis of an Australian National Sample," authored by Francisco Perales and published in the peer-reviewed journal Intelligence, this is the first study to analyze the associations between attitudes towards LGBT issues and cognitive ability on a non-U.S. sample.
    https://www.inquisitr.com/4925096/lo...n-study-shows/
    Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sponk View Post
    The association between low cognitive ability and prejudicial attitudes against same-sex couples holds in the presence of economic and socio-demographic variables, such as education.

    Adding to existing knowledge regarding correlations between low cognitive ability and propensity towards prejudice, new study by the University of Queensland shows that less intelligent people tend to express more prejudicial attitudes against same-sex couples.

    Titled "The Cognitive Roots of Prejudice Towards Same-Sex Couples: An Analysis of an Australian National Sample," authored by Francisco Perales and published in the peer-reviewed journal Intelligence, this is the first study to analyze the associations between attitudes towards LGBT issues and cognitive ability on a non-U.S. sample.
    https://www.inquisitr.com/4925096/lo...n-study-shows/
    I’m going to bet the same is true of racists based on personal experience.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
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    and has the biggest nuclear arsenal at disposal

    idiocracy fulfilled
    Putin really hit the jackpot in his asset recruitment. Trumps burning down American interest faster and more successfully then anyone could have anticipated.
    I know right.. This whole driving a massive wedge between you and your allies over exports with one hand, and legitimizing and reducing the sanctions on putin's allies with the other.. Thats can't possibly be a coincidence..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    America is a broken society.
    Thread really should renamed "European View on Broken America (Politics & Bad Shit) Thread" at this point tbqh.
    Nah, I’ve lived outside of the EU for a long time and have been to the states a lot.
    Because such a rename would be about you, specifically, amirite?

    Even then, you are a European (now living elsewhere) and you're not an American (tourism doesn't count), so the rename would still be apt.

    I wonder, how many born in America, raised in America, actual Americans DO we have at FHC (and this thread specifically)?

    I'd wager it's a minority of participants.
    I'm a U.S born citizen that works in the brewery industry directly, I can say with pleasure your views are not all American views, they are not the antithesis to European views either.
    At no point would I ever claim my view represents "all American views". The idea is laughable. In point of fact, my specific mix of views are likely held by a rather small minority here in the U.S.

    When you start an exchange with an obvious straw-man argument we're not starting off in a good place.

    They are more commonly conservative apologetic excuses.
    Yup, here we go.....

    While you may agree somethings need to change you commonly hold back from admitting your views are perhaps on faulty ground. I have noticed this pattern over and over.
    I come to FHC to debate. I find FHC to loathe when people refuse to agree 100% with their viewpoint. It's not good enough to agree a problem exists, or even that this or that solution may be worth considering. FHC is quite intolerant of other viewpoints, and wallows in insult and verbal assault to those who at times disagree.

    I usually find myself wanting to just inflame your opinion, which is easy.
    Ok. So you have a strong desire to troll me, noted.

    I do not believe for one second you will ever change your mind.
    You mean like not supporting Universal Healthacre at all then coming to support it? That kind of change, or do you mean something else?

    That is the common American trait I do see in you to be honest.
    Not quite sure how well you see, given your post so far.

    I have formed many new opinions over the past ten years.
    So have I.

    Somethings I still hold true but I'm fully aware my generation will shape things more than yours soon, and I find most of my peers across the spectrum to be largely more liberal and accepting of socialist ideas.
    Quite right. Today's 20-somethings will be tomorrow's leaders and drive society. And younger generations are more open to "socialist" ideas, no doubt.

    But I'm in my 40's. My generation isn't going anywhere for another 20-30 years yet mate.

    I think your concept that this is Europe looking in at the U.S is a bit daft, as America cannot avoid being examined by a world it holds grasp over, and should be examined.
    My only concept was that THIS THREAD should be named "Europeans Talk About America" because that's what it generally is, people of European birth/culture talking about how much America sucks, generally.

    Of course America 'cannot avoid being examined by the world' and should be. A wonderful example of taking a mico-level comment and bloviating it out into some grand macro-level thing so you can be critical. Again, straw men abound.

    Also I pointed out my work with brewing because I asked about it not having the distinct displeasure of discussing cost at length with my peers across the industry. Not one thought it would be good if the price of cans skyrocketed. From Jack's Abbey and Victory down to smaller operations on the Northeast coast, everyone seemed to think that it would be very bad. You are daft as fuck about things small to large. I hope one day that dawns on you and you sit down and reassess the situation.
    Yet more straw men. At no point did I say it would be "good" if costs rise. But they will survive. It will not cause the wholesale destruction of the brewery industry as was implied, which is where my comment began.

    Part of my enjoyment here is just how often people argue against me by arguing against arguments and positions I've never actually taken, and against ideas (like your "you never change your opinions") that are demonstrably and obviously false.

    Be assured mate, this little thread would be boring as fuck without me to give you folks a bad guy to beat up.

    By the way, tell your friends at Victory they make a damn good product.

    Out of curiosity, what job function do you perform at the brewery?
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