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    The reason we should be interested is that when, as seems increasingly likely, the judge wipes his/her arse with the NDA, it means a whole bunch of other people under very similar NDAs with trump will suddenly feel a lot safer about speakking up.
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    Do we care that he stuck his cock (consensually) in some porn stars?
    About as much as we care about Hillary's emails and Kenyan muslims.
    Interesting.

    So just to be clear, you are ok with the Sec. of State having her own, poorly secured, email server located in her basement, and the A. lack of proper security and B. lack of proper public record keeping, that such a situation could lead to?

    Personally, and I can only speak for me here, I want ALL Sec. or States (and other Govt. officials) to use only secure Govt. systems (to protect that data), and for their emails and other communications to be secured for the public record (to protect the peoples interest in how our Govt. works).

    But maybe you feel differently about such things.
    Not really, no.
    Fair enough I suppose. We all have our priorities....

    My point is that if the Republicans were serious about going after Hillary, they would have appointed a special prosecutor. They didn't.
    Indeed. Something the "right" is rather pissed off about even now.

    Does the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief sticking his willy in some tart 12 years ago have any bearing on his ability to do his current job? Not at all...unless you consider honesty and consistency to be necessary traits.
    Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, because this line could apply to both rather well.

    Trump won't be charged or impeached over this. But his opponents would be fools to pass up an opportunity to embarrass him.

    It's theatrics, that's all.
    Implies that Trump CAN be embarrassed. At this point, as horrid and embarrassing as he has been, I'm honestly not so sure.


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    Ugh, you are totally overestimating the influence the US (constitution) had on the German political system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I'd argue that the US had a massive influence on the German constitution, both the one in the 1920ies, and the post-WW2 one. Just of the top of my head: the post-war one created a federal system of states quite similar to the US set up.
    The idea that we are a federal country because of the US constitution is ... hilarious. I am pretty sure you are very well aware of the fractious nature of the German territory dating back prior the discovery of America and how that fractionalization existed continually for centuries until today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    The post-WW1 one already introduced many things copied from the US; for example, the initiative and referendum, the recall, woman suffrage, proportionate representation, single tax, public ownership of railroads, etc.; none of which was there in the Imperial constitution.
    Modern referendums were first introduced in the 1830s in Switzerland, I am pretty sure we got the idea from them. Not to mention that our legal tradition is not common law like in the US, but codified law as the Romans invented, Napoleon modernized it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Earliest_use

    Also we created parliamentary systems, not presidential systems, so the initiative is not just with the parliament but also the executive, which is in stark contrast to the USA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_..._(legislative)

    Women suffrage in Germany because the Americans said so?

    You may want to look at the abortive Revolution of 1848 and how it spawned a German suffrage movement that was massively hampered by the non-unity of Germany. First the union had to come, before women could get the right to vote. Not to mention that the idea of women's suffrage was born in the French Revolution, which I would argue had a far bigger impact on Germany than anything the US did in the century and a half since then. Also check out Ute Gerhardt - Frauenbewegung und Feminismus: Eine Geschichte seit 1789 for a decent primer on the history of women's movement in Germany.

    Also how you can claim it was US intervention to give women the right to vote in 1918 in Germany, when they didn't have it until 1920 in the US is awesome.

    Proportional representation is a good one. You vote first past the post, the exact opposite of proportional representation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propor...tation#History

    Single tax? What do you mean?

    I went with proportional income tax:

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    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkom...nd)#Geschichte

    Introduced first in 1811 in Prussia modeled after the British Income Tax of 1799 (introduced by Pitt the Younger to help pay for the war against Revolutionary France). Slowly became the norm in Germany over the 19th century with most switching between 1848 and 1914. Unified nationwide taxation only happened in 1920 after Matthias Erzberger's reforms.

    The Imperial Constitution was devoid of declarations of rights because the member states' constitutions had those. The constitution of the Empire was more of a contract between the various principalities and kingdoms than a constitution as you and I think of it. Which makes sense considering it grew out of the constitution of the German Confederation and thus the constitution of the North German Confederation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._German_Empire
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Also: "The greatest improvements over the Imperial Constitution are those contained in the section providing for rights of the individual. The individual, the family, the church, and the school are all provided for to a degree in striking contrast to the exaltation of the state so characteristic of the old constitution."

    In short, and in my opinion: although, on both occasions, the German 'framers' certainly didn't need arm-twisting by the US, it is pretty obvious that they did look closely at the US example, and borrowed quite heavily from it, while placing it in a German context ofcourse.

    What is interesting is that Germany used the constitutional mechanisms to update their constitution quite regularly, whereas in the US updating the constitution has stagnated so that it is now quite out-of-date with the times (looking at you: 2nd Amendment).

    Read up on Robert Redslob, who delivered the theoretical underpinning for the Constitution of the Weimar Republic.

    Sure the US constitution inspired the rest of the world, but holy shit, get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Ugh, you are totally overestimating the influence the US (constitution) had on the German political system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I'd argue that the US had a massive influence on the German constitution, both the one in the 1920ies, and the post-WW2 one. Just of the top of my head: the post-war one created a federal system of states quite similar to the US set up.
    The idea that we are a federal country because of the US constitution is ... hilarious. I am pretty sure you are very well aware of the fractious nature of the German territory dating back prior the discovery of America and how that fractionalization existed continually for centuries until today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    The post-WW1 one already introduced many things copied from the US; for example, the initiative and referendum, the recall, woman suffrage, proportionate representation, single tax, public ownership of railroads, etc.; none of which was there in the Imperial constitution.
    Modern referendums were first introduced in the 1830s in Switzerland, I am pretty sure we got the idea from them. Not to mention that our legal tradition is not common law like in the US, but codified law as the Romans invented, Napoleon modernized it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Earliest_use

    Also we created parliamentary systems, not presidential systems, so the initiative is not just with the parliament but also the executive, which is in stark contrast to the USA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_..._(legislative)

    Women suffrage in Germany because the Americans said so?

    You may want to look at the abortive Revolution of 1848 and how it spawned a German suffrage movement that was massively hampered by the non-unity of Germany. First the union had to come, before women could get the right to vote. Not to mention that the idea of women's suffrage was born in the French Revolution, which I would argue had a far bigger impact on Germany than anything the US did in the century and a half since then. Also check out Ute Gerhardt - Frauenbewegung und Feminismus: Eine Geschichte seit 1789 for a decent primer on the history of women's movement in Germany.

    Also how you can claim it was US intervention to give women the right to vote in 1918 in Germany, when they didn't have it until 1920 in the US is awesome.

    Proportional representation is a good one. You vote first past the post, the exact opposite of proportional representation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propor...tation#History

    Single tax? What do you mean?

    I went with proportional income tax:

      Spoiler:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkom...nd)#Geschichte

    Introduced first in 1811 in Prussia modeled after the British Income Tax of 1799 (introduced by Pitt the Younger to help pay for the war against Revolutionary France). Slowly became the norm in Germany over the 19th century with most switching between 1848 and 1914. Unified nationwide taxation only happened in 1920 after Matthias Erzberger's reforms.

    The Imperial Constitution was devoid of declarations of rights because the member states' constitutions had those. The constitution of the Empire was more of a contract between the various principalities and kingdoms than a constitution as you and I think of it. Which makes sense considering it grew out of the constitution of the German Confederation and thus the constitution of the North German Confederation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._German_Empire
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Also: "The greatest improvements over the Imperial Constitution are those contained in the section providing for rights of the individual. The individual, the family, the church, and the school are all provided for to a degree in striking contrast to the exaltation of the state so characteristic of the old constitution."

    In short, and in my opinion: although, on both occasions, the German 'framers' certainly didn't need arm-twisting by the US, it is pretty obvious that they did look closely at the US example, and borrowed quite heavily from it, while placing it in a German context ofcourse.

    What is interesting is that Germany used the constitutional mechanisms to update their constitution quite regularly, whereas in the US updating the constitution has stagnated so that it is now quite out-of-date with the times (looking at you: 2nd Amendment).

    Read up on Robert Redslob, who delivered the theoretical underpinning for the Constitution of the Weimar Republic.

    Sure the US constitution inspired the rest of the world, but holy shit, get a grip.
    peak fucking deutsche

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Ugh, you are totally overestimating the influence the US (constitution) had on the German political system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    I'd argue that the US had a massive influence on the German constitution, both the one in the 1920ies, and the post-WW2 one. Just of the top of my head: the post-war one created a federal system of states quite similar to the US set up.
    The idea that we are a federal country because of the US constitution is ... hilarious. I am pretty sure you are very well aware of the fractious nature of the German territory dating back prior the discovery of America and how that fractionalization existed continually for centuries until today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    The post-WW1 one already introduced many things copied from the US; for example, the initiative and referendum, the recall, woman suffrage, proportionate representation, single tax, public ownership of railroads, etc.; none of which was there in the Imperial constitution.
    Modern referendums were first introduced in the 1830s in Switzerland, I am pretty sure we got the idea from them. Not to mention that our legal tradition is not common law like in the US, but codified law as the Romans invented, Napoleon modernized it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Earliest_use

    Also we created parliamentary systems, not presidential systems, so the initiative is not just with the parliament but also the executive, which is in stark contrast to the USA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_..._(legislative)

    Women suffrage in Germany because the Americans said so?

    You may want to look at the abortive Revolution of 1848 and how it spawned a German suffrage movement that was massively hampered by the non-unity of Germany. First the union had to come, before women could get the right to vote. Not to mention that the idea of women's suffrage was born in the French Revolution, which I would argue had a far bigger impact on Germany than anything the US did in the century and a half since then. Also check out Ute Gerhardt - Frauenbewegung und Feminismus: Eine Geschichte seit 1789 for a decent primer on the history of women's movement in Germany.

    Also how you can claim it was US intervention to give women the right to vote in 1918 in Germany, when they didn't have it until 1920 in the US is awesome.

    Proportional representation is a good one. You vote first past the post, the exact opposite of proportional representation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propor...tation#History

    Single tax? What do you mean?

    I went with proportional income tax:

      Spoiler:
    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einkom...nd)#Geschichte

    Introduced first in 1811 in Prussia modeled after the British Income Tax of 1799 (introduced by Pitt the Younger to help pay for the war against Revolutionary France). Slowly became the norm in Germany over the 19th century with most switching between 1848 and 1914. Unified nationwide taxation only happened in 1920 after Matthias Erzberger's reforms.

    The Imperial Constitution was devoid of declarations of rights because the member states' constitutions had those. The constitution of the Empire was more of a contract between the various principalities and kingdoms than a constitution as you and I think of it. Which makes sense considering it grew out of the constitution of the German Confederation and thus the constitution of the North German Confederation.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consti..._German_Empire
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Also: "The greatest improvements over the Imperial Constitution are those contained in the section providing for rights of the individual. The individual, the family, the church, and the school are all provided for to a degree in striking contrast to the exaltation of the state so characteristic of the old constitution."

    In short, and in my opinion: although, on both occasions, the German 'framers' certainly didn't need arm-twisting by the US, it is pretty obvious that they did look closely at the US example, and borrowed quite heavily from it, while placing it in a German context ofcourse.

    What is interesting is that Germany used the constitutional mechanisms to update their constitution quite regularly, whereas in the US updating the constitution has stagnated so that it is now quite out-of-date with the times (looking at you: 2nd Amendment).

    Read up on Robert Redslob, who delivered the theoretical underpinning for the Constitution of the Weimar Republic.

    Sure the US constitution inspired the rest of the world, but holy shit, get a grip.
    peak fucking deutsche
    Yeah but he posted it all in English, which I'm pretty sure he learned from the US constitution. And on a website on the internet, basically resulting from the US constitution, and also devoted to a space game probably made by Americans.

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    I'd hang Clinton and Trump from the same lamp post for their part in fetishising monarchistic reigns and co-opting the mechanisms of a republic to serve their self interests.

    Don't really give a shit about who they sleep with or how they store their emails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post

    Does the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief sticking his willy in some tart 12 years ago have any bearing on his ability to do his current job? Not at all...unless you consider honesty and consistency to be necessary traits.
    Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, because this line could apply to both rather well.
    TIL Trump is sharing the POTUS job with Bill Clinton.
    Seriously who cares about Bill Clinton right now ? Do you know what his current job is ? (you know, the actual term you quoted)
    You post stuff like that, litterally coming close to peak "both sides are the same" and "what about her emails" in a single sentence and then act offended when people roast you.

    We've been witnessing your hate boner for the clintons for possibly years now (time sure flies), and I'm not saying it's entirely unjustified, but please pick the holes you wanna stick it in more carefully.

    Back to lurking o7

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    Quote Originally Posted by vDJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post

    Does the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief sticking his willy in some tart 12 years ago have any bearing on his ability to do his current job? Not at all...unless you consider honesty and consistency to be necessary traits.
    Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, because this line could apply to both rather well.
    TIL Trump is sharing the POTUS job with Bill Clinton.
    Seriously who cares about Bill Clinton right now ? Do you know what his current job is ? (you know, the actual term you quoted)
    You post stuff like that, litterally coming close to peak "both sides are the same" and "what about her emails" in a single sentence and then act offended when people roast you.

    We've been witnessing your hate boner for the clintons for possibly years now (time sure flies), and I'm not saying it's entirely unjustified, but please pick the holes you wanna stick it in more carefully.

    Back to lurking o7
    Ah, the old (Dem) Standby of "what difference, at this point, does it make" when their bad actions and actors are brought up.

    I have a hate boner for corruption and impropriety in my public servants, yes. Of both parties, yes.

    I only "care" about Bill (and his repeated sexual assaults and intern sexcapades) when people make arguments now they'd never have made back then or are clearly engaged in some obvious party-based hypocricy. This forum is all the evidence I would ever need of the "both sides do it", because the excuse making and endless defense of and deflection for Dem bad actions and actors mirrors to a T the way the far right defends Trump's bad actions and his bad actors today. The same attacks on Bill now made on Trump, the only difference is which side is attacking and which is defending.

    There is no question Donald Trump is our worst, least qualified, and more embarrassing (and dangerous) President. Hillary Clinton, for all her warhakishness and self profiteering over her career, would have been 1000% better. These are not issues for debate IMO.

    But the endless sensitivity here for any mention of Dems near-on-duplicate bad actions and actors is just laughable.


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    One guy gets caught fucking his intern and gets impeached, more than 20 years ago. The other guy covers up fucking a porn star and maybe, just maybe, sold his country out to a hostile foreign aggressor while his greatly moral supporters advocate "pedos over liberuls". Both sides are the same and you are a hypocrite if you don't agree!one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    One guy gets caught fucking his intern and gets impeached, more than 20 years ago. The other guy covers up fucking a porn star and maybe, just maybe, sold his country out to a hostile foreign aggressor while his greatly moral supporters advocate "pedos over liberuls". Both sides are the same and you are a hypocrite if you don't agree!one.
    "But no man they're actually totally the same and you just hate me so you cant see it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    One guy gets caught fucking his intern and gets impeached, more than 20 years ago.
    Yeah but see I was right with you and everyone else mocking that impeachment, and it did basically nothing to damage his reputation. You're dealing with different people and different opinions 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by vDJ View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post

    Does the Draft-Dodger-in-Chief sticking his willy in some tart 12 years ago have any bearing on his ability to do his current job? Not at all...unless you consider honesty and consistency to be necessary traits.
    Are we talking about Bill Clinton or Donald Trump, because this line could apply to both rather well.
    TIL Trump is sharing the POTUS job with Bill Clinton.
    Seriously who cares about Bill Clinton right now ? Do you know what his current job is ? (you know, the actual term you quoted)
    You post stuff like that, litterally coming close to peak "both sides are the same" and "what about her emails" in a single sentence and then act offended when people roast you.

    We've been witnessing your hate boner for the clintons for possibly years now (time sure flies), and I'm not saying it's entirely unjustified, but please pick the holes you wanna stick it in more carefully.

    Back to lurking o7
    Ah, the old (Dem) Standby of "what difference, at this point, does it make" when their bad actions and actors are brought up.

    I have a hate boner for corruption and impropriety in my public servants, yes. Of both parties, yes.

    I only "care" about Bill (and his repeated sexual assaults and intern sexcapades) when people make arguments now they'd never have made back then or are clearly engaged in some obvious party-based hypocricy. This forum is all the evidence I would ever need of the "both sides do it", because the excuse making and endless defense of and deflection for Dem bad actions and actors mirrors to a T the way the far right defends Trump's bad actions and his bad actors today. The same attacks on Bill now made on Trump, the only difference is which side is attacking and which is defending.

    There is no question Donald Trump is our worst, least qualified, and more embarrassing (and dangerous) President. Hillary Clinton, for all her warhakishness and self profiteering over her career, would have been 1000% better. These are not issues for debate IMO.

    But the endless sensitivity here for any mention of Dems near-on-duplicate bad actions and actors is just laughable.
    Way to miss the fucking point. My original response to your post was simply a cheeky comment about fair play. Don't read too much into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
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    One guy gets caught fucking his intern and gets impeached, more than 20 years ago.
    Yeah but see I was right with you and everyone else mocking that impeachment, and it did basically nothing to damage his reputation. You're dealing with different people and different opinions 20 years ago.
    Well, that's what I'm saying. There are now voters who weren't alive during that. It's simply not that relevant. Times have literally changed. This discussion does blur into how societal norms change over time, etc, but quite simply put, that's not relevant to the argument that Bill's indiscretions (which he was impeached for lying about, mind, due process was followed) = Anything Trump has done, for which due process is still ongoing, and there may be active obstruction surrounding.

    I've been hearing literal republican propaganda about Hillary and "the evil Clinton's" since I moved to this country and got exposed to right wing radio, yet $45 million dollars of tax payers money was wasted by Republicans trying to prove literal internet conspiracy theories, because they are petty, small minded, childish people.
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    Possibly relevent: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ges/495701002/

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    What's backpage?
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ges/495701002/

    No longer a haven for pedos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    that's not relevant to the argument that Bill's indiscretions (which he was impeached for lying about, mind, due process was followed) = Anything Trump has done
    So on the surface I agree with you, but only because of the whole Russia thing and only because I highly suspect there was collusion there (and because Trump does terrible things like speak highly of dictators like Putin and Duterte). But once that's off the table (and I think it's fair to take that off the table if you're going to deny the right wingers their tinfoil hattery about the clinton foundation etc), the difference dwindles a lot. Had Bill done what he did in this day and age, he'd be completely ruined as a politician. He'd be another Weinstein. If you factor in "outrage inflation" you'd probably end up with something on par with a lot of the shit leveled at Trump with respect to his affair and the pussy grabbing remarks and whatnot, and I'm sure they could dredge up more on Bill if they tried.

    I mean look at how someone like elmicker equates Trump's decades old newpaper article to literally (and I mean literally, verbatim here) calling for "lynching of black children" and compare that to how the Clintons were talking about crime (primarily involving black men and drugs) at the same time. One is literally hitler, the other is, well, lets forget about it because something something it was the 80's. Actually I think the only reason the outrage machine isn't all over the Clintons about that topic is because they hate Trump and Clinton's a democrat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frug View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    that's not relevant to the argument that Bill's indiscretions (which he was impeached for lying about, mind, due process was followed) = Anything Trump has done
    So on the surface I agree with you, but only because of the whole Russia thing and only because I highly suspect there was collusion there (and because Trump does terrible things like speak highly of dictators like Putin and Duterte). But once that's off the table (and I think it's fair to take that off the table if you're going to deny the right wingers their tinfoil hattery about the clinton foundation etc), the difference dwindles a lot. Had Bill done what he did in this day and age, he'd be completely ruined as a politician. He'd be another Weinstein. If you factor in "outrage inflation" you'd probably end up with something on par with a lot of the shit leveled at Trump with respect to his affair and the pussy grabbing remarks and whatnot, and I'm sure they could dredge up more on Bill if they tried.

    I mean look at how someone like elmicker equates Trump's decades old newpaper article to literally (and I mean literally, verbatim here) calling for "lynching of black children" and compare that to how the Clintons were talking about crime (primarily involving black men and drugs) at the same time. One is literally hitler, the other is, well, lets forget about it because something something it was the 80's. Actually I think the only reason the outrage machine isn't all over the Clintons about that topic is because they hate Trump and Clinton's a democrat.
    Yeah, that must be it. Can’t possibly be that there is no reasonable way to equate them.
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