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    WTF happened? Did SsgtSniper escaped from the mental care facility?

    I remember him posting the same retarded shit a while ago, then he disappeared.
    THE FUCKING IRONY

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    Whether the government should be involved for every policy is a perfectly valid question to ask, I think. And we can discuss 'the state should be as big as it needs to be, and no bigger', and what that means in practice. I'm sure we'll have a difference of opinion on that, but it's a worthwhile discussion to have.

    The problem I have with the Libertarians is that their answer to that question is invariably: 'no'. And personally, that answer is particularly evil when you consider that is their answer to questions about healthcare, social welfare, housing, etc. as well. Because there are people in our societies who are ill, vulnerable, and simply need someone to take care of them. Many through no fault of their own. For example because of age or ill health.

    And to just let them die in some alley or street; which would be, for many, the result of answering 'no' to those questions, is, to me at least, an abhorrent abnegation of the social responsibility everyone in society has towards their fellow man (or woman). It is, in that way, simply an unacceptable answer in this day and age, and in civil society. And as such, is, in fact, evil, pure and simple.

    Now we can expect such an answer from the puerile, even the infantile, when the world is still your oyster (i.e., living off your parents), but at one point one should really grow up and acquire the mental facilities to look through the massive amount of internal inconsistencies that are part and parcel of what goes for Libertarianism, and put it back in the box with your model planes and dinky toys.

    And if you refuse or can't do that, and still keep spouting the most anti-social and evil nonsense; well then that is you dehumanising yourself, not the other way round.
    If you see a person in your society who is ill, vulnerable, or simply needs someone to take care of them and your government system has failed to help them, do you personally do everything you can to help them?
    Alistair, if you were on fire and screaming in fear and pain and I, by chance, wandered by, would you feel that there was some flaw in my reasoning, some gap in the logical process, if I said "Well I don't see anyone else pissing on you, so there's no moral imperative for me to do it either"?
    If I were on fire, and you did anything other then immediately try and put me out and/or immediately get help to put me out, you would, in my judgement, be a bad person.

    If your only response to seeing me on fire was to grab some marshmallows and mutter something like "well, the system should really help people like that, I'm going to be sure to vote (maybe, if I feel like it that day) for someone who supports aid for those on fire, if only those damn evil righties would stop blocking such laws", you would, in my judgement, be a bad person.

    I would not give you an pat on the back or a sociopolitical pass for your high moral standards in your political ideology while you did nothing to help the literal burning man in front of you. :insert gif of Alistair on fire:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    WTF happened? Did SsgtSniper escaped from the mental care facility?

    I remember him posting the same retarded shit a while ago, then he disappeared.
    THE FUCKING IRONY
    Lol this one flew right under my radar

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    This tweet will probably be deleted soon. Check the link.

    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    This tweet will probably be deleted soon. Check the link.

    Are proper sentence breaks the casualty with the twitter character limit?
    I'm not even asking for two spaces here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Jebus! Take a weekend off, Sniper comes back, and the shit hits the fan!

    For the record: I'm with him on one thing: the name calling/trolling/etc., simply because you don't like what he says, should go.

    I remember Sniper from the olden days. When he always stood up for gun rights and authority (police etc.). I disagreed with him on almost everything, but to his credit he always tried to back it up with something, even if I thought it never held up to scrutiny. But perhaps that wasn't the point: it's the interaction, the discussion, that counts. Perhaps now more than ever.

    Remember when Alistair fist showed up? Died in the wool Republican (though he denied it) with all the talking points. We stuck up with him, and he stuck up with us, and look at him now? He sounds almost sane. Well, most of the time. Progress.

    All it takes is to keep an open mind, a lot of patience, and a boatload of constructive dialogue. Incessant trolling and name-calling just creates more (of an) echo chamber, and more division. (And I know full well I joined in on that as well at times, I'm no saint.).

    Maybe I've softened in old age. Or maybe it's Trump in the white house and Brexit in the UK, and me realising that I apparently have no clue what half of the voting public is actually on about, and why they believe/vote the way they do (it really doesn't make a lot of sense to me sometimes).

    What I do know is that all that divisiveness isn't doing anyone any favours. And that if we want to get anything done, anywhere, the first thing we need to do is listen to each other, start talking to each other, and through that bring people back from the lunatic fringes. Reasoned constructive debate, based on actual fact, does that. Perpetual shouting and taunting from the parapet does not.

    So, as an opener: Sniper; you said that the 2nd amendment protects the 1st amendment. Looking at, for example, the UK and Europe, I see free speech everywhere, yet no 2nd amendment rights to guns (in fact, generally, strict gun control; certainly compared to the US). So I don't see how this adds up. Can you explain why you believe it does?
    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/the-echrs-ruling-on-defaming-mohammed-is-bad-news-for-muslims/

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...yside-43816921

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39692811



    There was the lady that complained about muslim prayers in hyde park. she was arrested. she may or may not have been an honest player.

    Dankula. love him or hate him, he's an eve player. When he says the point was to grief his girlfriend, yeah, I believe it. He also probably should have smoked less pot the day he had the idea, whatever.

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...olls-b8nkpgp2d
    This thread is actually against the law in the UK ffs.

    You say there is free speech. I say there is not. Placing any limit on the concept of free speech past direct violence is a tactic that will eventually turn on you. More accurately, be turned on you.
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    Hear that silly Englanders. The plod will be coming for you for shitpoasting, real soon now.

    The penis is evil. The gun is good, etc, etc.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Remember when Alistair fist showed up? Died in the wool Republican (though he denied it) with all the talking points. We stuck up with him, and he stuck up with us, and look at him now? He sounds almost sane.

    Maybe I've softened in old age. Or maybe it's Trump in the white house...
    Definitely the latter. Alistair sounds almost sane in comparison to Trump. A piss-covered hobo yelling about UFOs sounds almost sane compared to Trump.

    I would gladly argue with SSgtSniper about guns and gubmint, etc. any other time. But not now. Not after 2016. Go back and check Alistair screeching "but her emails!" all Summer 2016. Some people can't be reasoned with. They need to be defeated. Let me link you long, but wonderful thread by one of the real ex-Republican (not fake ones, like Alistair).

    Counter-intuitive though it may seem, Trump winning was a political disaster for the white working class, especially older whites. They were once pandered to in elections; now it's no longer possible to indulge the pretense that their concerns are economic - or fixable.

    That's because there's no ground for a policy fix or a compromise with people whose basic position is that they want America to be white, sorta Christian, and frozen in 1963 - except with 2018's drugs, sexual liberty, govt transfer payments, ESPN channels, and internet porn.

    That's why I'm tired of people declaring conservatives (like me, Boot, Rubin, Wilson and others) who still believe in limited government, fiscal responsibility, a superpower foreign policy, and individual freedom to be "not conservatives" because we won't pander to populists.

    Who's more liberal? Us, or the working class Trump voters who are always looking to Daddy to excuse them for out-of-wedlock births, their embrace of a defeatist foreign policy, rampant drug abuse, chronic underemployment, and endless demands for government solutions?

    This "it's not your fault, the system has it in for you" bullshit pioneered by Bannon and weaponized by Trump is something conservatives castigated liberals for saying to minorities years ago. And rightly so: it deprives people of agency and responsibility.

    If sucking up to small-town populism - the worst melding of ignorance and self-pitying, insecure nationalism - is now "conservative," then the word has no meaning. Conservatives were once prudent, incremental, patriotic, and stoic. (Like, say, the President who just passed.)

    Yes, we were also hidebound, resistant to needed change, overly cautious, too wrapped up in our sense of tradition, and often indifferent to the struggles of others. (We were also the counterpart to progressives who needed the sensible ballast of prudence and judgment.)

    Conservatives and liberals need each other to make progress. What we're seeing with Trumpism, especially two years in, is neither conservative nor liberal. It is a stubborn demand that the world treat white working class adults like children. To coddle them with soothing lies.

    So enough with the woes of the Iowa farmers who fear black and female presidents, or New Hampshire townies who fear immigrants without ever seeing one anywhere near them. That's not "conservative" any more than Occupy Wall St guys taking dumps on police cars are "liberal."

    I don't know what it's going to take for Generation Fox to figure it out. I now seriously doubt they will come to their senses, if they ever had any. (This is why I have very little hope that anything Mueller or anyone else says is going to move that 30-40%.)

    That intransigence is the disaster for the white working class: because it shows there's no point in trying to compromise with what were once legitimate concerns about taxes, foreign affairs, education, etc. They've traded that agenda for mindless Trumpian ethno-nationalism.

    That kind of political agenda can't be reasoned with. It can only be defeated. And realizing that this is no longer a rational political debate is not good for America (or Europe, or anywhere else), but that's how it has to be.
    The "older whites" he's talking about is Alistair, SSgtSniper and half of this goddamned country.

    Tweet thread here:
    https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/sta...96220064514049
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane
    Libertarianism, especially, goes out of its way to condemn paying into the system, and helping out where you can. Their answer, specifically to state sanctioned aid, of any kind, is always: no. It's not just 'I've got mine, jack', which is bad enough as it is, it is: 'let them die'.
    Minarchist Libertarians do not condemn paying into the system. They do object to the system being what it is today.

    But then going forward and saying I would let them die is horrible. First off, no. Second off, there was for a very long time private charity before the Government came and crowded it out. I would see it return.

    It's actually an irony that during the depression, Almost no one starved. Private groups stepped in and prevented it. Ironically, groups that today would be considered racist groups. Chinese groups helped the Chinese, black groups helped the blacks, Japanese groups etc etc.

    Each race looked out for their own. Successfully.

    It's a documented fact for since ever that the religious conservatives give more to charity than the entire rest of the country combined. By many factors of multiplication. So for the guy that keeps calling conservatives evil, fuck you. I don't even like those types but you have to give them credit when they are due.

    Barth, it scares me that you say you want to strive for utopia. The mass graves of every previous attempt should be a large warning sign to stop.


    Someone got after me for pointing out Cronyism is different that pure Capitalism, *shrug*. It is. I'm not even gonna try to convince anyone here at this point.

    I've had enough. I said a long time ago I wouldn't come back into this thread, I wish I had followed my own rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
    It's actually an irony that during the depression, Almost no one starved. Private groups stepped in and prevented it. Ironically, groups that today would be considered racist groups. Chinese groups helped the Chinese, black groups helped the blacks, Japanese groups etc etc.

    Each race looked out for their own. Successfully.
    Well, that explains the appearance of mixed race individuals in the 50's. The bastards ate twice as much food.

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    https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeople...turn_realizes/

    If you watch carefuly, Trump signs the first copy at the wrong place (at the Mexican PM's place). Everyone notices and cringe, he pass it over to my Prime Minister, who save face by not showing the copy with the wrong signature once Trump does as he always does and hold the paper up like a toddler with a picture he just drew.

    He's fucking retarded, jesus christ. He can't even sign on the line with his name under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSgtSniper View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane
    Libertarianism, especially, goes out of its way to condemn paying into the system, and helping out where you can. Their answer, specifically to state sanctioned aid, of any kind, is always: no. It's not just 'I've got mine, jack', which is bad enough as it is, it is: 'let them die'.
    Minarchist Libertarians do not condemn paying into the system. They do object to the system being what it is today.

    But then going forward and saying I would let them die is horrible. First off, no. Second off, there was for a very long time private charity before the Government came and crowded it out. I would see it return.

    It's actually an irony that during the depression, Almost no one starved. Private groups stepped in and prevented it. Ironically, groups that today would be considered racist groups. Chinese groups helped the Chinese, black groups helped the blacks, Japanese groups etc etc.

    Each race looked out for their own. Successfully.

    It's a documented fact for since ever that the religious conservatives give more to charity than the entire rest of the country combined. By many factors of multiplication. So for the guy that keeps calling conservatives evil, fuck you. I don't even like those types but you have to give them credit when they are due.

    Barth, it scares me that you say you want to strive for utopia. The mass graves of every previous attempt should be a large warning sign to stop.


    Someone got after me for pointing out Cronyism is different that pure Capitalism, *shrug*. It is. I'm not even gonna try to convince anyone here at this point.

    I've had enough. I said a long time ago I wouldn't come back into this thread, I wish I had followed my own rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baarhyn View Post
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    If you watch carefuly, Trump signs the first copy at the wrong place (at the Mexican PM's place). Everyone notices and cringe, he pass it over to my Prime Minister, who save face by not showing the copy with the wrong signature once Trump does as he always does and hold the paper up like a toddler with a picture he just drew.

    He's fucking retarded, jesus christ. He can't even sign on the line with his name under it.

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    >that's cronyism
    >real capitalism has never been tried

    Both sides?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerWish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Baarhyn View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeople...turn_realizes/

    If you watch carefuly, Trump signs the first copy at the wrong place (at the Mexican PM's place). Everyone notices and cringe, he pass it over to my Prime Minister, who save face by not showing the copy with the wrong signature once Trump does as he always does and hold the paper up like a toddler with a picture he just drew.

    He's fucking retarded, jesus christ. He can't even sign on the line with his name under it.
    Is this real life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerWish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Baarhyn View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeople...turn_realizes/

    If you watch carefuly, Trump signs the first copy at the wrong place (at the Mexican PM's place). Everyone notices and cringe, he pass it over to my Prime Minister, who save face by not showing the copy with the wrong signature once Trump does as he always does and hold the paper up like a toddler with a picture he just drew.

    He's fucking retarded, jesus christ. He can't even sign on the line with his name under it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DerWish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Baarhyn View Post
    https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeople...turn_realizes/

    If you watch carefuly, Trump signs the first copy at the wrong place (at the Mexican PM's place). Everyone notices and cringe, he pass it over to my Prime Minister, who save face by not showing the copy with the wrong signature once Trump does as he always does and hold the paper up like a toddler with a picture he just drew.

    He's fucking retarded, jesus christ. He can't even sign on the line with his name under it.
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    The guy with the nuclear codes, ladies and gentlemen
    Tremendous

    So we are all in the same page then, he is actually retarded.

    Yet he was still the best candidate.
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