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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    I don't understand concurrent sentences. Is the goal to incentivise committing multiple crimes at once, to minimise potential jailtime?
    It's so rich people have to do less jail time.
    One argument could be that it acts as a deterrent for going all in when you commit multiple crimes. If you only had consecutive sentences, why not just start shooting people if you are about to get caught, you're going to be locked up for life anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaikar View Post
    I don't understand concurrent sentences. Is the goal to incentivise committing multiple crimes at once, to minimise potential jailtime?
    Its extremely common in most legal systems. It is generally used when one criminal act constitutes multiple crimes orwhen someone is charged with multiple crimes, or in instances when the resulting sentence from the crimes would be disproportionately long and thus be considered 'cruel and unusual punishment'

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    It's supposed to put a limit to the sentence that can be imposed for a single act. Doing something like eg: robbing a bank can easily break half a dozen separate laws, but only the most severe offence of which the defended is actually convicted should set the maximum term of imprisonment for a single criminal act.
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    look at it this way - mugging someone in the UK if you didn't do concurrent could result in you locked away for a decade + . now, that might be a cheerful idea to the daily mail but follow that train of thought and you end up with US style imprisonment rates

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    look at it this way - mugging someone in the UK if you didn't do concurrent could result in you locked away for a decade + . now, that might be a cheerful idea to the daily mail but follow that train of thought and you end up with US style imprisonment rates
    don't you have the same basic setup w.r.t. prisoners rights to go with it ?

    you know, forced labour* is totally illegal, unless you stuff people in jail. it could just be some very rich dipshit wanting a profit opportunity at the expense of society as a whole, american style.


    *there's a red, mad and nude argument about the nature of "voluntary" labour under capitalism and how it interacts with people's ability to survive, but let's not go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    look at it this way - mugging someone in the UK if you didn't do concurrent could result in you locked away for a decade + . now, that might be a cheerful idea to the daily mail but follow that train of thought and you end up with US style imprisonment rates
    don't you have the same basic setup w.r.t. prisoners rights to go with it ?

    you know, forced labour* is totally illegal, unless you stuff people in jail. it could just be some very rich dipshit wanting a profit opportunity at the expense of society as a whole, american style.


    *there's a red, mad and nude argument about the nature of "voluntary" labour under capitalism and how it interacts with people's ability to survive, but let's not go there.
    Nah, not fully yet. The private sector has to keep calling in the comrades to sort shit out when their pared to the bone setups result in riots. Brexi will accelerate the USAification though no doubt. By all accounts the prison culture in the uk is far less hsotile than usa also, its not racially divided and rape isnt that common. Forced labour isnt that common either. you can chose to stay in a cell all day (via legitimate ways or being a madlad), or get paid tiny amounts for simple work.

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    A fair amount of educational opportunities for most prisoners too. There is still some level of rehabilitation in play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    A fair amount of educational opportunities for most prisoners too. There is still some level of rehabilitation in play.
    But if you rehabilitate then you won't get return customers slaves.

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    We’ve gotten to the part of the game where the authoritarian leader threatens to sic his paramilitary supporters on his opponents. Yay!

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...pport-him.html

    One of Donald Trump’s favorite riffs is a wish, cast as a warning, that his supporters inside and outside the state security services will unleash violence on his political opponents if they continue to oppose the administration. The specifics of the riff don’t vary much. Trump laments that his opponents are treating him unfairly, praises the toughness and strength of his supporters — a category that combines the police, military, and Bikers for Trump, which he apparently views as a Brownshirt-like militia — and a prediction that his supporters will at some point end their restraint.

    “So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
    More thorough analysis here:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ething-bigger/

    Also, just a reminder that the right is responsible for virtually all of the political violence in America, and all of the political murders in the past year or two:

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/extr...-report-2019-1

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...t-wing/581284/


    BONUS CONTENT: quality journalism on your local fascist street gang:

    http://feature.politicalresearch.org/the-proud-boys
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    Remember when people here were getting all huffy when Trump was called a fascist?

    Good times.
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    Yeah, it was like summer of 2015.

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    So wheres all those funny memesters posting about the white guy faking a racist attack?

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    You mean like the ones where a dude shot up a synagogue, or sent a bunch of mail bombs to liberal political and media figures? Very funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    You mean like the ones where a dude shot up a synagogue, or sent a bunch of mail bombs to liberal political and media figures? Very funny.
    No like one they were all over when it was a black guy faking it by aren't saying anything now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    You mean like the ones where a dude shot up a synagogue, or sent a bunch of mail bombs to liberal political and media figures? Very funny.
    No like one they were all over when it was a black guy faking it by aren't saying anything now.
    What are you talking about? Referring not to the actor who faked it, what white guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    You mean like the ones where a dude shot up a synagogue, or sent a bunch of mail bombs to liberal political and media figures? Very funny.
    No like one they were all over when it was a black guy faking it by aren't saying anything now.
    What are you talking about? Referring not to the actor who faked it, what white guy?
    Wohl or some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    You mean like the ones where a dude shot up a synagogue, or sent a bunch of mail bombs to liberal political and media figures? Very funny.
    No like one they were all over when it was a black guy faking it by aren't saying anything now.
    What are you talking about? Referring not to the actor who faked it, what white guy?
    Wohl or some shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    We’ve gotten to the part of the game where the authoritarian leader threatens to sic his paramilitary supporters on his opponents. Yay!

    http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/...pport-him.html

    One of Donald Trump’s favorite riffs is a wish, cast as a warning, that his supporters inside and outside the state security services will unleash violence on his political opponents if they continue to oppose the administration. The specifics of the riff don’t vary much. Trump laments that his opponents are treating him unfairly, praises the toughness and strength of his supporters — a category that combines the police, military, and Bikers for Trump, which he apparently views as a Brownshirt-like militia — and a prediction that his supporters will at some point end their restraint.

    “So here’s the thing—it’s so terrible what’s happening,” Trump said when asked by Breitbart News Washington Political Editor Matthew Boyle about how the left is fighting hard. “You know, the left plays a tougher game, it’s very funny. I actually think that the people on the right are tougher, but they don’t play it tougher. Okay? I can tell you I have the support of the police, the support of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad. But the left plays it cuter and tougher. Like with all the nonsense that they do in Congress … with all this invest[igations]—that’s all they want to do is –you know, they do things that are nasty. Republicans never played this.”
    More thorough analysis here:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ething-bigger/

    Also, just a reminder that the right is responsible for virtually all of the political violence in America, and all of the political murders in the past year or two:

    https://amp.businessinsider.com/extr...-report-2019-1

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...t-wing/581284/


    BONUS CONTENT: quality journalism on your local fascist street gang:

    http://feature.politicalresearch.org/the-proud-boys
    a pathetic beta male yelling he has tough alpha friends, color me surprised
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    So wheres all those funny memesters posting about the white guy faking a racist attack?
    Wohl wasn't a famous celebrity first, so less meme-worthy.
    "Those who are skilled in combat do not become angered, those who are skilled at winning do not become afraid. Thus the wise win before they fight, while the ignorant fight to win." - Zhuge Liang


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
    So wheres all those funny memesters posting about the white guy faking a racist attack?
    Wohl wasn't a famous celebrity first, so less meme-worthy.
    Still just as fucked up and I bet a bunch of people are jerkin off to pictures of him that smeared Jessie Smollett as trash.

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