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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
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    It's because choosing different flavours of neoliberalism is not especially enticing for voters.

    The UK had the same until this year which saw much higher turnout after years of falling turnout, and it's because the Labour Party finally abandoned neoliberalism and ran on a proper socialist platform, so suddenly voters had a genuine choice again for the first time in decades.
    Too bad they still lost :^)
    Did they?

    Looks to me like the far left has solidified their internal control of the party, positioned themselves excellently for the next election and avoided being held responsible for the hot mess that is Brexit.

    Two years ago the far left was a joke. Now I can easily see them dominating politics for a decade after the Tories finish committing suicide.
    They are still a joke though
    Well yes. They are politicians.
    And they lost


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    If Labour was strongly anti-Brexit in the last election I think they would have won

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    If Labour was strongly anti-Brexit in the last election I think they would have won
    Doubt it. They might have picked up some more votes and made a few more marginals but it would potentially have been at the cost of core seats in the North.

    Also there's potential incompatibility with EU rules and implementing their programme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    If Labour was strongly anti-Brexit in the last election I think they would have won
    Doubt it. They might have picked up some more votes and made a few more marginals but it would potentially have been at the cost of core seats in the North.

    Also there's potential incompatibility with EU rules and implementing their programme.
    What core seats in the North were closer than the difference between brexit and bremain votes?

    Nothing is really incompatible, and the EU would bend over backwards to avert Brexit and thumb the Brexiteers in the eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    If Labour was strongly anti-Brexit in the last election I think they would have won
    Doubt it. They might have picked up some more votes and made a few more marginals but it would potentially have been at the cost of core seats in the North.

    Also there's potential incompatibility with EU rules and implementing their programme.
    What core seats in the North?
    There's quite a few long-time Labour seats in northern towns that were lost or saw their majorities squeezed this year, and they need to hold onto those seats.

    Also, the Lib Dems ran on an anti-brexit ticket and did worse than ever. Going down that route would not have been productive.

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    There is no evidence that "a strong anti-Brexit" position would have boosted Labour votes and/or the overall number of seats achieved in the election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spaztick View Post
    Communist =/= Socialist

    I don't know a single person who honestly supports government ownership of the means of production.

    In 2016 the US spent $3.9T, yet we have failing schools, starving elderly and decrepit infrastructure. Why?

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    apart from keckers, smuggo, Stoffl, erichk etc

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    because your genetic stock is based on the people who couldn't make it anywhere else. literally born to fail.

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    Communist =/= Socialist

    I don't know a single person who honestly supports government ownership of the means of production.

    In 2016 the US spent $3.9T, yet we have failing schools, starving elderly and decrepit infrastructure. Why?
    Because a small clique of corporates and their execs are siphoning all the money off for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    Communist =/= Socialist

    I don't know a single person who honestly supports government ownership of the means of production.

    In 2016 the US spent $3.9T, yet we have failing schools, starving elderly and decrepit infrastructure. Why?
    Because a small clique of corporates and their execs are siphoning all the money off for themselves.
    So you'd rather have a small clique of activists and their politburo siphoning it all for themselves instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
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    Communist =/= Socialist

    I don't know a single person who honestly supports government ownership of the means of production.

    In 2016 the US spent $3.9T, yet we have failing schools, starving elderly and decrepit infrastructure. Why?
    Because a small clique of corporates and their execs are siphoning all the money off for themselves.
    So you'd rather have a small clique of activists and their politburo siphoning it all for themselves instead?
    Realexistierender Sozialismus != socialism

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    apart from keckers, smuggo, Stoffl, erichk etc
    u wot m8?

    My avatar is a metaphor for wishful thinking. Not a platform to make black pajama's cool again.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    apart from keckers, smuggo, Stoffl, erichk etc
    u wot m8?

    My avatar is a metaphor for wishful thinking. Not a platform to make black pajama's cool again.
    Exactly what a hard line communist would say!

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    Pyjamas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeromeDoutrande View Post
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    apart from keckers, smuggo, Stoffl, erichk etc
    u wot m8?

    My avatar is a metaphor for wishful thinking. Not a platform to make black pajama's cool again.
    Exactly what a hard line communist would say!
    You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes...

    ** In case it's not completely obvious to everyone, this is a fucking joke., I'm not threatening walls to anyone IRL.
    Last edited by erichkknaar; September 14 2017 at 04:31:14 PM.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    Pyjamas.
    Maybe on your quaint little island...

    Pajamas
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    apart from keckers, smuggo, Stoffl, erichk etc
    u wot m8?

    My avatar is a metaphor for wishful thinking. Not a platform to make black pajama's cool again.
    Exactly what a hard line communist would say!
    You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes...

    ** In case it's not completely obvious to everyone, this is a fucking joke., I'm not threatening walls to anyone IRL.
    ban this sick filth

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonesbones View Post
    Communist =/= Socialist

    I don't know a single person who honestly supports government ownership of the means of production.

    In 2016 the US spent $3.9T, yet we have failing schools, starving elderly and decrepit infrastructure. Why?


    More money will solve this.
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