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    Pretty dumb to argue against public R&D when the most impactful research takes place at universities that get grants from the federal gubment

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Pretty dumb to argue against public R&D when the most impactful research has always been public R&D, although its often funded through a university rather than a government controlled site.
    Yeah but public R&D is literally communism, and communism means 150% of the population will die in gulags. Can't have that, now can we? /s

    But more seriously, a fair chunk of university budgets come from the government, between grants and tuition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Pretty dumb to argue against public R&D when the most impactful research has always been public R&D, although its often funded through a university rather than a government controlled site.
    Yeah but public R&D is literally communism, and communism means 150% of the population will die in gulags. Can't have that, now can we? /s

    But more seriously, a fair chunk of university budgets come from the government, between grants and tuition.
    Do you think if individuals had to pay the full cost themselves, that the cost of tuition would be as high as it is today?


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    Nope. I'm with you 100% on the notion that the easy provision of student loans has encouraged wasteful spending at universities and triggered spiraling tuition costs. (Though I guess I'm assuming that's your position.)

    Technically, students who repay their loans do pay full cost (and then some), it's just delayed somewhat, making the initial purchase decision easier to justify. If students and their families had to bear the cost up front, demand would collapse, and perhaps so too would price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Pretty dumb to argue against public R&D when the most impactful research takes place at universities that get grants from the federal gubment
    Lall isn't arguing against publicly funded R&D. He was careful to distinguish he was talking about commercialisation of a technology. I have no doubt he sees the value of publicly funded basic research in all its forms including centres of excellence and research labs. However universities fucking suck at making commercial products, as does the government (most of the time). They certainly suck at scaling business and production processes.

    Also while I'm nowhere near as optimistic as he, he is right. We've just signed a yuuuuuge contract with one of AWS's biggest customers (if not their biggest - we couldn't quite get confirmation) to act as their corporate standard analytics and operations platform going forward. They're not a tech company, you've probably never even heard of them. They're a utility company and they need all that sweet, sweet data crunching power to optimise their grid. They're making this investment because the rise of renewables and smart, grid-scale storage is inevitable.

    The things we're going to be doing in as little as five to ten years are going to make the national grid control centre look like the 1960s technology it really is.

    Countries that haven't got a national grid (hello, USA) are really going to struggle to transform.
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    Clip from Stephen Colbert monologue, when remarking about how much of a street fighter Bannon is:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    This whole argument started because of the fact that Pattern pointed out that "cost" might not be the ideal sorting metric when considering the switch to non-fossil energy generation and storage.
    And my whole argument is that this is the essence of socialism.

    It always starts with good intentions. Let's switch to non-fossil fuels, regardless of technology readiness and state of the energy market. Let's switch from a backward agrarian shithole to the industrialized country in five-year plan. Let's electrify the whole fucking country, costs be damned. Lets invest money into a dumbest fucking idea of running trains up and down the hill, just because it was taught at the university. Defer decisions to law-school educated apparatchiks "policy workers", with "good professional connections" and the "necessary charisma". When the whole boondoggle inevitably fails, call opponents "globalists", or "rootless cosmopolitans", accuse "Western agents" of sabotage.

    Been there, done that, got the Gulags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Clip from Stephen Colbert monologue, when remarking about how much of a street fighter Bannon is:
    Bannon is definitely a street fighter. However, judging by the looks of his face, the street has won.

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    *Yawn*

    We get it Don, you don't wanna pay no more taxes.

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    Took a peek in here and yep it's still a shithole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Took a peek in here and yep it's still a shithole
    Why do you think they're capitalist pigs, comrade?

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    "Pharma Bro" offers $5K for someone to grab some of Clinton's hairs while she is out booksigning, requiring "significant expenditure of resources by the U.S. Secret Service", now prosecutors are demanding he be held without bail for the threat/harassment.

    WTF, this world is getting too strange.

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    FBI: Awans Finalizing Immunity Deals with DOJ in Exchange For Testimony on Members of Congress
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    Jesus Christ Don isn't taking the trump presidency well.

    I almost want a second term just to see how he reacts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Jesus Christ Don isn't taking the trump presidency well.

    I almost want a second term just to see how he reacts.
    Please, no.


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    America's only hope is accelerationism
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Mason
    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Pretty dumb to argue against public R&D when the most impactful research has always been public R&D, although its often funded through a university rather than a government controlled site.
    Yeah but public R&D is literally communism, and communism means 150% of the population will die in gulags. Can't have that, now can we? /s

    But more seriously, a fair chunk of university budgets come from the government, between grants and tuition.
    Do you think if individuals had to pay the full cost themselves, that the cost of tuition would be as high as it is today?
    On average it would be lower, but the top universities would either have fewer students or fewer poor students or both.
    This is why education must be subsidised, and it's why the universities should be state run and not for profit (for themselves, hangers on building new dorms, or VPs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    Yeah but public R&D is literally communism
    Nope.

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