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    Two lawyers and a known troll trying to corner keckers on our forum about capitalism.

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    What's there to corner? It's a self-destructive system unsuited to the management of our planet and its environment. Is it likely to go away? Not in the foreseeable future, no, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't call attention to the absurdity and injustice of the system at every opportunity.
    Are we talking about Communism or Capitalism now?
    Obviously not a lawyer with those reading comp skills.
    I'm being bullied for not being a capitalist enabler ;_;

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    The SPLC publishes their kill list online and no one seem upset.
    Except they're often just upset for the sake of being upset.
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    The only reason communism hasn't spent the last 30 years fucking our planet, is because it lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Two lawyers and a known troll trying to corner keckers on our forum about capitalism.

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    What's there to corner? It's a self-destructive system unsuited to the management of our planet and its environment.
    Obviously, the solution is to send all socialists into space.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicholai Pestot View Post
    The only reason communism hasn't spent the last 30 years fucking our planet, is because it lost.
    So instead the planet gets fucked by capitalism! Yaaaay!

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    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    The only reason communism hasn't spent the last 30 years fucking our planet, is because it lost.
    So instead the planet gets fucked by capitalism! Yaaaay!
    Why does it have to be so extreme one way or the other?

    Why not aim for setting the "mix" of our various mixed economies a bit differently?

    You'll certainly get a lot more support for that than for going full Stalin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.
    We are fast approaching a Venus lite climate driven by the unchecked exploitation of fossil fuels and yet you crow about the Aral Sea.

    About 6.5 million people a year die from particulates and air pollution. If it was communism, we wouldn't hear the end of it from our resident °centrists°

    The absolute state of this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
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    Two lawyers and a known troll trying to corner keckers on our forum about capitalism.

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    What's there to corner? It's a self-destructive system unsuited to the management of our planet and its environment. Is it likely to go away? Not in the foreseeable future, no, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't call attention to the absurdity and injustice of the system at every opportunity.
    Kekers is a capitalist now ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.
    But it changed for the better, right? Just like the Great Gorge Dam in China provided all the space for watersports recreation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    The only reason communism hasn't spent the last 30 years fucking our planet, is because it lost.
    So instead the planet gets fucked by capitalism! Yaaaay!
    Why does it have to be so extreme one way or the other?

    Why not aim for setting the "mix" of our various mixed economies a bit differently?

    You'll certainly get a lot more support for that than for going full Stalin.
    Because that would make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post

    About a million people a year die from particulates and air pollution.
    The fact that most of those deaths occur in Russia and China is a pure coincidence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    About a million people a year die from particulates and air pollution.
    The fact that most of those deaths occur in Russia and China is a pure coincidence.
    Bastions of socialism to be sure.

    Also, replace Russia with Hungary. The rest of Europe isn't far behind on some metrics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.
    We are fast approaching a Venus lite climate driven by the unchecked exploitation of fossil fuels and yet you crow about the Aral Sea.

    About 6.5 million people a year die from particulates and air pollution. If it was communism, we wouldn't hear the end of it from our resident °centrists°

    The absolute state of this post.
    No, exactly the same things would happen under communism (because they were far less concerned about environment vs. development) but you wouldn't hear about it because the state would punish anyone who spoke up or protested.

    Because that is exactly what happen in the USSR and is still occurring in China although that is thankfully breaking down (and you can't hide killer smog covering your cities very easily).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    About a million people a year die from particulates and air pollution.
    The fact that most of those deaths occur in Russia and China is a pure coincidence.
    Bastions of socialism to be sure.

    Also, replace Russia with Hungary. The rest of Europe isn't far behind on some metrics.
    It's all a capitalist plot!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
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    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.
    We are fast approaching a Venus lite climate driven by the unchecked exploitation of fossil fuels and yet you crow about the Aral Sea.

    About 6.5 million people a year die from particulates and air pollution. If it was communism, we wouldn't hear the end of it from our resident °centrists°

    The absolute state of this post.
    No, exactly the same things would happen under communism (because they were far less concerned about environment vs. development) but you wouldn't hear about it because the state would punish anyone who spoke up or protested.

    Because that is exactly what happen in the USSR and is still occurring in China although that is thankfully breaking down (and you can't hide killer smog covering your cities very easily).
    And it was the magic of American capitalism that made sure the west breathed easy.

    Get a fucking grip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattern View Post
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    The planet is still being fucked by communism.

    Take the Aral Sea for example. Changes diverting water to grow cotton under the USSR have forever changed the Central Asian Climate.
    We are fast approaching a Venus lite climate driven by the unchecked exploitation of fossil fuels and yet you crow about the Aral Sea.

    About 6.5 million people a year die from particulates and air pollution. If it was communism, we wouldn't hear the end of it from our resident °centrists°

    The absolute state of this post.
    No, exactly the same things would happen under communism (because they were far less concerned about environment vs. development) but you wouldn't hear about it because the state would punish anyone who spoke up or protested.

    Because that is exactly what happen in the USSR and is still occurring in China although that is thankfully breaking down (and you can't hide killer smog covering your cities very easily).
    And it was the magic of American capitalism that made sure the west breathed easy.

    Get a fucking grip.
    No. it was the magic of DEMOCRACY!!!!

    Capitalism will effect environment change when it makes sense in profit terms to do so. Coal as a method of generating power is doomed not because of international treaties and government action (although that speeds things up), but because you can now set up renewable generation at a lesser cost than building new coal-fired power plants.

    Once batteries become widespread coal is dead as even the base load function is gone.

    People are doing this not just to save the planet but because they stand to make big wads of cash.

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    When batteries become widespread...

    I laughed.

    Gas fired power plants are cheaper than renewables and will be for decades.

    From opium and tobacco industries to modern day coal, the power of capitalism to allow products and processes (especially because of power of democracy) to cling on way beyond the point of social good is astonishing.

    And yet here we are, tearing down soviet memes and convincing people that gulags are the real problem in today's society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    The only reason communism hasn't spent the last 30 years fucking our planet, is because it lost.
    So instead the planet gets fucked by capitalism! Yaaaay!
    Why does it have to be so extreme one way or the other?

    Why not aim for setting the "mix" of our various mixed economies a bit differently?

    You'll certainly get a lot more support for that than for going full Stalin.
    If you'd actually read what I write...

    Also, these ideals (collective/cooperative vs private/competitive) are not mutually exclusive, as any survey of societies will tell you. The most successful societies have examples of both paradigms, though one paradigm is always dominant. But when that paradigm becomes nearly exclusive or universal, you're fucked, and that's what we're dealing with now in the West. A return to balance, even if it's a capitalist-dominant balance, requires advocacy for the other side.
    Incentivize rural people to move with positive measures such as housing credits, land buybacks, job programs, etc. Protect urban cores with good engineering. Let a century or so of extreme weather do the rest
    Or any of a dozen other examples in these threads over the past few months. I have never advocated revolutionary change, I've never advocated for a communist dictatorship, Stalinism, or any of the other bullshit you seem compelled to try to assign to me.

    I believe in democratic republican government, by the people, and for the people, with strong constitutional protection for negative and positive human rights. The only "change" I want is for the socialist position to get equal schrift in the political process, as it did up until the middle of last century. If we wind up with a society that is still dominated by capitalism, but has rectified some of capitalism's injustices, that's fine! It's better than where we are now. If we wind up in a society dominated by socialism, but retaining much of the utliity capitalism brings, even better!

    But we don't get anywhere if we don't consider alternatives to capitalism. Otherwise we just continue our nice little slide into dystopia.

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