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    And in general... just because you legally can. Doesn't mean you should. Then again I don't think that's a lesson most R's ever learned.


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    Trump does 360 on DACA

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    He's creating jobs for Congressmen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Trump does 360 on DACA

    GOP Civil War Part Deux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
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    Their argument is that its unconstitutional.
    That's up to a court to decide, which these days could mean anything.
    Except for it got decided.

    By Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions.

    And boy did the latter have a shit-eating grin on his face as he announced how he was stripping away legal protections from nearly one million young Americans, most of which have never known or remembered life in another nation.
    Guess their parents should have thought of that, eh?

    Not sure why this, of all things, is the one unique thing where kids "shouldn't suffer because of their parents". Kids suffer because of their parents decisions on a regular daily basis.

    Also, love the implication that having to go to another country is akin to torture, or that kids who get moved to other countries are being child abused.

    The "Dreamers" will be fine in their home countries, and we don't owe them citizenship and benefits because their parents broke the law.

    Like I said, if you think this is so vital, win some elections and pass some laws. I could care less if congress passes a law to let in a few tens of millions more immigrants. Most immigrants > 3rd+ Gen Americans anyway, in my experience.

    What I am against is the constant "fuck laws, do what feels right to my emo lib self" as the rule of the land for some folks.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Their argument is that its unconstitutional.
    That's up to a court to decide, which these days could mean anything.
    Except for it got decided.

    By Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions.

    And boy did the latter have a shit-eating grin on his face as he announced how he was stripping away legal protections from nearly one million young Americans, most of which have never known or remembered life in another nation.
    Guess their parents should have thought of that, eh?

    Not sure why this, of all things, is the one unique thing where kids "shouldn't suffer because of their parents". Kids suffer because of their parents decisions on a regular daily basis.

    Also, love the implication that having to go to another country is akin to torture, or that kids who get moved to other countries are being child abused.

    The "Dreamers" will be fine in their home countries, and we don't owe them citizenship and benefits because their parents broke the law.

    Like I said, if you think this is so vital, win some elections and pass some laws. I could care less if congress passes a law to let in a few tens of millions more immigrants. Most immigrants > 3rd+ Gen Americans anyway, in my experience.

    What I am against is the constant "fuck laws, do what feels right to my emo lib self" as the rule of the land for some folks.
    Wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
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    Nature, taking care of the climate change deniers one state at a time.
    Edgy but you understand the places getting truly, utterly raped are Puerto Rico, Haiti and Cuba + other islands right?
    Just because I'm putting the E in Edgy doesnt mean I don't understand how weather works.. I'm sure me posting on the internet from work about this is making those peoples lives a million times worse and I really should stop, but its fun making peoples lives worse form the comfort of my office.
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    The undocumented pay more taxes then they get in benefits, because they can't apply for most benefits, so the idea that they are draining revenue is a boogeyman.

    http://www.epi.org/blog/ending-daca-...bor-standards/

    The vast majority of DACA recipients are employed, 87 percent, and on average DACA recipients saw their wages increase by 42 percent after receiving an EAD. Those gains—and the higher tax revenue to the federal and state and local governments that have accompanied it and benefited public coffers—are now in jeopardy.
    EDIT for direct source from Social Security:

    https://www.ssa.gov/oact/NOTES/pdf_notes/note151.pdf

    For the annual Trustees Reports, the President’s Budget, and other documents, OCACT projects the numbers of unauthorized immigrants residing in the United States, their earnings, and the implications of these earnings on Social Security financing. Our projections assume that unauthorized residents work at about the same rate as the rest of the population by age and sex, but earnings are less likely to be reported as taxable and even less likely to be credited for future benefit entitlement. Thus, our projections suggest that the presence of unauthorized workers in the United States has, on average, a positive effect on the financial status of the Social Security program. For the year 2010, we estimate that the excess of tax revenue paid to the Trust Funds over benefits paid from these funds based on earnings of unauthorized workers is about $12 billion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post
    He's creating jobs for Congressmen.
    He's draining the swamp by making all of their heads explode.
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    And her name was Limul Azgoden, a lowly peasant girl.

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    Absolutely smashing
    This is actually really good. It really unpicks all the standard centre and alt- right talking points.
    "Oblivious centrists picking up alt-right talking points" should be the title of this thread imo.
    I finally managed to give it a watch and thought bringing it back up might be a good idea, it is very good and feels like a straight up reading of a fair few people in these very threads. Our 'extreme centrists' might really want to have a careful watch tbfh.

    I remember running into Contra a while ago while watching Hbomberguy, another really good youtuber at tearing this bullshit apart, although more into the 'youtube rationalist/sceptic' community. Never actually watched many videos though, might have to do more now.
    So I sat down and had a watch at this video and I thou-

    >"I'm not a fascist" is exactly what a fascist would say



    Is this satire?
    You really, truly don't understand the tone that particular line was said in?

    Fuck me.

    BTW that video is exactly addressing how you sound and why you got called a "nazi" last time. To the very details. So it's beautiful that you don't get it, truly beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
    Trump does 360 on DACA

    Straight from the Trump Playbook of Indecisive Obfuscation:

    1. Flip-flop on controversial decision
    2. "Fuckin' Obama!"
    3. Put off the decision, hoping someone else will make it for him
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega Supreme View Post
    Out of some 800k only hundreds are qualified workers?

    Not worth keeping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    Absolutely smashing
    This is actually really good. It really unpicks all the standard centre and alt- right talking points.
    "Oblivious centrists picking up alt-right talking points" should be the title of this thread imo.
    I finally managed to give it a watch and thought bringing it back up might be a good idea, it is very good and feels like a straight up reading of a fair few people in these very threads. Our 'extreme centrists' might really want to have a careful watch tbfh.

    I remember running into Contra a while ago while watching Hbomberguy, another really good youtuber at tearing this bullshit apart, although more into the 'youtube rationalist/sceptic' community. Never actually watched many videos though, might have to do more now.
    So I sat down and had a watch at this video and I thou-

    >"I'm not a fascist" is exactly what a fascist would say



    Is this satire?
    You really, truly don't understand the tone that particular line was said in?

    Fuck me.

    BTW that video is exactly addressing how you sound and why you got called a "nazi" last time. To the very details. So it's beautiful that you don't get it, truly beautiful.

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    So what you're saying is that, rather than forming your own opinions and presenting your own arguments you're going to rely on a YouTube video to do it for you? I'm going to save this post and quote it every time you give somebody shit for doing that from now on.

    Anyway since I'm such an idiot and I clearly don't get it, why don't you explain it to me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steph View Post

    So what you're saying is that, rather than forming your own opinions and presenting your own arguments you're going to rely on a YouTube video to do it for you? I'm going to save this post and quote it every time you give somebody shit for doing that from now on.

    Anyway since I'm such an idiot and I clearly don't get it, why don't you explain it to me?
    Yes, totally, that's what I'm saying. It's absolutely not that it's an easy easy to digest to the point deconstruction of the issues that have been plaguing discussion in both this thread and the internet and you got caught in completely, it's totally horrible to have an easy way to show exactly what the problem is, said in a more eye catching and interesting way than i ever could.

    Also have you somehow missed the style of the video, the tone, as must of Contrapoints' content being somewhat ridiculous and tongue in cheek on purpose? That's all that particular statement you chose to dismiss the validity of the entire video is.

    But i suppose it's easier to do that than to face the facts of just how much of a muppet you are.

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    "No I'm not doing the thing you said I was, I'm doing the thing other people do when I tell them they're doing that"
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    Watching Stephs very own, slow motion, existential crisis unravel before us.
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    The floods are a gubbermint conspiracy!!1
    aka "Fuck those poors, how dare they flood less than 50% of our [more expensive] homes?!"

    Protip: don't build multi million dollar homes in flood planes.

    EDIT: Seriously though, this pisses me off. Those cunts want the government to measure people by dollars instead of measuring people by people.
    Last edited by OrangeAfroMan; September 6 2017 at 07:51:52 AM.
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    I know there is important shit going down in the U.S., DACA and Irma but this shows the fundamental problem the U.S. has and why i call your nation a 3rd world nation.
    In short not only your health system is bad but also your infrastructure and care for people.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...atment-poverty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jori McKie View Post
    I know there is important shit going down in the U.S., DACA and Irma but this shows the fundamental problem the U.S. has and why i call your nation a 3rd world nation.
    In short not only your health system is bad but also your infrastructure and care for people.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...atment-poverty
    But this is clearly just propaganda produced by us Europeans. AMERICA IS NUMBER 1.

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