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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
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    Hey guys that is the posting of someone who totally doesn't care and is just trolling us all the time, obviously.

    Yeah, this looks just like the time last year when I said Trump would win an you all laughed.

    Laugh again, I dare you, laugh.
    My sources say that you didn't say this.

    checkmate.
    FAKE POST, sad!
    See? If he had the link he would have posted it, he is a bad dude and can't be trusted.

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    The options are not autistic enough. There are only three options where two have interesting repurcussions.

    1. It was a legal court ordered wiretap.

    2. It was an illegal wiretap

    3. There was no wiretap.

    Alistairs A and B options are pointless as a response to Trumps Tweet.

    And obviously it will be no.3 that is the correct answer here but I'm hoping for no.1.

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    My guess?

    There was no wiretap on Trump Tower, there was however a legal wiretap / data collection on Russian officials that inadvertently caught some communications with Trump affiliated people.
    Has both the "legally grey dragnet fishing of US citizens" AND "Trump camp in contact with Russia", so everyone wins or loses however you see it.

    Speculating about this is dumb to the extreme tho, i.e. the perfect distraction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    My guess?

    There was no wiretap on Trump Tower, there was however a legal wiretap / data collection on Russian officials that inadvertently caught some communications with Trump affiliated people.
    Has both the "legally grey dragnet fishing of US citizens" AND "Trump camp in contact with Russia", so everyone wins or loses however you see it.

    Speculating about this is dumb to the extreme tho, i.e. the perfect distraction.

    Too complicated for Dromp. He shouldnt have called all these surveilled people.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...d10_story.html

    Copied w/ inline crap, sorry, not sorry.

    House Republicans on Monday released long-anticipated legislation to supplant the Affordable Care Act with a more conservative vision for the nation’s health care system, sketching out a system of individual tax credits and state grants to replace the current law.

    But GOP leaders did not issue cost or coverage estimates for their plan, which is still being reviewed by nonpartisan congressional budgetary scorekeepers, and there were signs Monday that fellow Republicans could balk if the legislation leaves swaths of the country without insurance coverage.

    Four key Republican senators said they would oppose any new plan that would leave millions of Americans uninsured.

    Sens. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Shelley Moore Capito (R. W.Va.), Cory Gardner (R-Colo.) and Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) said they would vote against any reform bill that fails to protect Americans who became eligible for coverage under the ACA’s expansion of Medicaid, the government-run health program for the poor and disabled.

    All four senators represent states that opted to expand their Medicaid program under the ACA.

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    (Alice Li/The Washington Post)
    “We will not support a plan that does not include stability for Medicaid expansion populations or flexibility for states,” they wrote in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

    “Reform should not come at the cost of disruption in access to health care for our country’s most vulnerable and sickest individuals. Any changes made to how Medicaid is financed through the state and federal governments should be coupled with significant new flexibility so they can efficiently and effectively manage their Medicaid programs to best meet their own needs,” the letter said.

    With 52 Republicans, McConnell would not have enough votes to pass repeal without the support of at least two of those senators.

    The sternly worded letter was sent as House leaders were scrambling to put finishing touches on plans to dismantle the ACA — and became the latest sign that the challenge may be even greater than Hill Republicans and President Trump had realized.

    Already cognizant of potential opposition from both conservative Republicans leery of high government costs and moderates seeking to retain insurance coverage for as many Americans as possible, House Republican leaders were expected to unveil an approach Monday that they have long criticized: income-based aid to help Americans afford health coverage.

    Until now, the Republicans had been intending to veer away from the ACA subsidies that help poor and middle-class people obtain insurance, insisting that the size of tax credits should be based entirely on people’s ages and not their incomes.

    But legislation to repeal the health-care law, drafts of which are expected to emerge as early as Monday evening, will propose refundable tax credits that would hinge on earnings as well as age, according to three sources familiar with the most current thinking of the House GOP leadership.

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    At a speech in Janesville, Wis., March 3, Vice President Pence once again promised to repeal the Affordable Care Act, saying that they would "at the same time," replace it with "a better law." (The Washington Post)
    The shift reflects two desires: to limit the cost of tax credits to the government and to try to avert a precipitous drop in the number of Americans who are insured. It also highlights the difficulty Republicans face trying to fulfill their promise to repeal Obamacare. On the one hand, Republicans are trying to satisfy conservatives, who have been rallying for years to eliminate what they see as the entitlements that the ACA created. On the other, they are increasingly worried that pushing too many Americans off insurance rolls would prompt a political backlash.

    Trump, although he campaigned on a promise to repeal the ACA, has said publicly he does not want any Americans to lose coverage.

    [Conservative groups and lawmakers demanding ‘full repeal’ could derail Obamacare rollback]

    The drafts will culminate two months of intense work by a pair of House committees to try to carry out the GOP’s ardent desire, ever since the ACA was adopted seven years ago without Republican support, to replace the law with a more conservative set of health-care policies. The shift on tax credits is an early glimpse at what the legislation will contain.

    It is unclear what the size of the tax credits will be compared to the ACA’s subsidies.

    This big pivot, developed by the Ways and Means Committee under the guidance of House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), stems from a combination of problems that were arising with the idea of age-only credits that would have been available to any individual or family buying insurance on their own, no matter how affluent. Estimates from congressional budget analysts and the White House’s Office of Management and Budget kept showing that the credits would be both too small to provide enough help to lower-income people and too expensive overall for a GOP determined to slash federal spending that the ACA has required.

    According to the sources, including one House member briefed on details of the Ways and Means Committee’s work, this shift reflects the treacherous political and substantive challenges that Republicans face in trying to convert anti-ACA talking points into an actual plan, now that they have an ally in the White House.

    While the number of Americans who can afford health insurance has never been the priority for the GOP that it is for Democrats, Trump has made clear that he is sensitive to any changes that would strand large numbers of people who gained coverage under the ACA. In addition, the House leadership is trying to thread its way through a minefield of conflicting priorities even within the chamber’s GOP conference.

    To win enough support among House Republicans, the bill has to address concerns of both conservatives concerned about the cost of the overhaul and worries that it might in effect enshrine a new federal entitlement, as well as more moderate members who want to ensure that their constituents retain access to affordable health care, including those who received Medicaid coverage under the ACA.

    [A divided White House still offers little guidance on replacing Obamacare]

    Even as the two committees working on aspects of an ACA replacement, Energy and Commerce, along with Ways and Means, are determined to begin considering legislation this week, the sources said that final work on them was still underway over the weekend and Monday. Lauren Aronson, a spokeswoman for Ways and Means, which is drafting the tax provisions of the bill, declined Monday to comment on specific provisions, saying the bill was still being revised.

    The change in thinking about tax credits has emerged since Friday, when a White House meeting chaired by Budget Director Mick Mulvaney and attended by key GOP congressional figures was called to finalize key provisions.

    “We are now at the culmination of a years-long process to keep our promise to the American people,” said AshLee Strong, a spokeswoman for Ryan.

    Certain details of the new approach to tax credits remained unclear, including whether they would be restricted to people under a certain income threshold — perhaps $75,000, according to the House member briefed on the plan — or whether the subsidy would taper off after a specific income level but not end entirely. Two sources said age would remain one factor in determining the size of a person’s credit.

    At the same time, the shift to take income into account could create a potentially difficult ripple effect for Republicans, who regard a reduction in the federal government’s role in health care as a central reason to abandon the sprawling 2010 health care law. One motivation for the GOP thinking that credits could depend only on age was that the Internal Revenue Service would no longer have needed to verify the eligibility of people for financial help, as it has for ACA subsidies. If income is taken into account, the IRS would still need to be involved.

    The goal of lessening the government’s role also is behind another major change from the ACA that the Republican plans envision: getting rid of the federal requirement on insurers to include a minimum set of “essential benefits” in health plans sold to individuals and small businesses.

    Conservatives have aired sharp concerns about the inclusion of refundable tax credits that can be advanced to insurance providers through the year, calling them too similar to the ACA’s tax subsidies. They have also balked at revenue-raising measures that had been floated in previous proposals, including retaining the ACA’s “Cadillac tax” on especially generous employer-provided insurance plans, as well as capping the exclusion from taxation that employer-plan premiums now enjoy.

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    The member of Congress who was briefed on changes to the proposal over the weekend said that drafters were not only moving toward capping the tax credit, but were also exploring how to avoid taxing employer-provided plans for the first time — something that could provoke a fierce response from conservatives. Instead, the member said, the cost of the scaled-back tax credits could be offset by savings gained by rolling back the ACA’s Medicaid expansion over the coming years.

    Multiple people familiar with GOP plans say that the text is on track to be released as early as Monday evening, setting up Wednesday votes by the Ways and Means Committee and the Energy and Commerce Committee, which has focused primarily on changes to Medicaid and other aspects of the law.

    As of Monday afternoon, nonpartisan congressional budget scorekeepers were still evaluating the GOP bills, and it was not clear when they would finish.

    At a closed-door GOP conference meeting last week, several House Republicans expressed concerns that the committees might start to work on the legislation without a complete fiscal assessment. To be eligible for special budget rules known as “reconciliation” — allowing bills to pass in the Senate by a simple majority — the legislation cannot incur a net cost after its first 10 years in effect.

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    If you give people back the option to be uninsured, dont be surprised to see a resurgence of "cant afford insurance, so no preventative care and waits until only the most expensive emergency care can save you".

    Basically, back to square one, but fuck the precariat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
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    Aah. RT. From Putin's lips to your ears.


    Summary of mainstream 'liberal' media articles clearly showing what was happening.
    Stopped listening when described the grauniad as a right wing paper, more quality fox reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilalaunebör View Post
    My guess?

    There was no wiretap on Trump Tower, there was however a legal wiretap / data collection on Russian officials that inadvertently caught some communications with Trump affiliated people.
    Has both the "legally grey dragnet fishing of US citizens" AND "Trump camp in contact with Russia", so everyone wins or loses however you see it.
    There is no "legally grey dragnet". What you've described is called "incidental collection" and it is perfectly, 100% legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Aah. RT. From Putin's lips to your ears.


    Summary of mainstream 'liberal' media articles clearly showing what was happening.
    Stopped listening when described the grauniad as a right wing paper, more quality fox reporting.

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    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakshasa The Cat View Post
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    I suppose it's fitting you're less accurate than that psychic octopus in predictions overall yet still keep going about that one time.
    So... you're betting against me on this?

    I expect lots of serial +rep's if this turns out to be the kind of stuff I've been predicting in this thread. If you win, I guess I'll just remain the retarded poster who doesn't know anything?
    wishful thinking with no real reason beyond "i want this to happen" is not the same as predicting things based on knowledge

    aka youre still a fuckwit


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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    Bannon did scold him in front of Priebus, Spicer, Ivanka, and daughter's husband - by an open window. Reportedly, he was so upset he ran away to florida (his putt-putt course) after telling Bannon he couldn't ride his plane or come with.
    Last edited by jarek; March 7 2017 at 04:07:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jarek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    Bannon did scold him in front of Priebus, Spicer, Ivanka, and daughter's husband - by an open window. Reportedly, he was so upset he ran away to florida (his putt-putt course) after telling Bannon he couldn't ride his plane or come with.
    Doesn't look like anything to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aea View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by jarek View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    Bannon did scold him in front of Priebus, Spicer, Ivanka, and daughter's husband - by an open window. Reportedly, he was so upset he ran away to florida (his putt-putt course) after telling Bannon he couldn't ride his plane or come with.
    Doesn't look like anything to me.
    Yeah, CNN used their banner to cover most of Bannon's finger waving. Daily mail still shows it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping
    Oh he knows how to work the media. But that doesn't make him less dumb as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping
    The fact it's so transparent is what makes it dumb. I'll leave it as an exercise for you as to what that makes our media...
    Last edited by erichkknaar; March 7 2017 at 07:00:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping
    The fact it's so transparent is what makes it dumb. I'll leave it as an exercise for you as to what that makes out media...
    Doesn't really matter how transparent it is if it works though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping
    The fact it's so transparent is what makes it dumb. I'll leave it as an exercise for you as to what that makes out media...
    Doesn't really matter how transparent it is if it works though.
    In this, I agree with Trump that our media is shit. Although Bernstein is pretty much just saying it's bullshit now. He gets it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Caine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    F. Trump is a retarded manbaby who fancies himself a master manipulator but is a transparent, purile child who shouldn't be trusted to run a putt-putt course.
    He may not be that dumb actually. Or whoever is handling him (Bannon) isn't that dumb. Look at how the news went from covering Sessions to covering his tweet about wiretapping
    The fact it's so transparent is what makes it dumb. I'll leave it as an exercise for you as to what that makes out media...
    Doesn't really matter how transparent it is if it works though.
    What Trump is forgetting is that 1. This isnt going away and 2. There are only so many times you can do this spiel.
    The nature of the USA 24h newscycle makes it impossible to ignore if one batshit thing is topped by another bumping the previous of the frontpage but you are allready seeing adjustment in reporting, e.g. more and more people stating the obvious and no longer playing his game. The 100 day mark hasnt even passed yet.

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