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    Thanks for reminding me never to live in the USA
    Why? Don't think you could hold down a decent job over here?

    Because if you could, you'll almost assuredly get perfectly good health insurance and you'll only get taxed at 30-odd percent instead of the whatever much higher total tax rate you all pay over there.

    The UK is indeed a great place to live if you can't hold down a job tho. UK is a great place to be poor, the U.S. a great place to be successful.
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    Not sure what jibberish you're on about this time, but nothing I said was false or unclear.

    1. Good jobs in the States very often come with good insurance.

    2. The UK is a much better place to be poor, for obvious reasons.

    3. The US is a better place to be well off, lower taxes and much more.

    Isn't this exactly what most of our resident Brits say near on daily?
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    You're just leaving out the bit where fewer and fewer people have "good jobs" as companies decide that actually employing people is soooo 20th century.

    And even people with "good jobs" in America tend to be underpaid and overworked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    You're just leaving out the bit where fewer and fewer people have "good jobs" as companies decide that actually employing people is soooo 20th century.

    And even people with "good jobs" in America tend to be underpaid and overworked.
    Yeah. "Jobs" are so totally overrated, man. It's like the very word "job" implies that you have to work and stuff... What's up with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    You're just leaving out the bit where fewer and fewer people have "good jobs" as companies decide that actually employing people is soooo 20th century.

    And even people with "good jobs" in America tend to be underpaid and overworked.
    Good Jobs easy to find in the UK are they?

    Or are shit jobs considered good because the State gives out the freebies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    You're just leaving out the bit where fewer and fewer people have "good jobs" as companies decide that actually employing people is soooo 20th century.

    And even people with "good jobs" in America tend to be underpaid and overworked.
    Good Jobs easy to find in the UK are they?
    There is only one industry left, but on-the-job satisfaction is very high:

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    What's the federal minimum holiday entitlement, with pay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    What's the federal minimum holiday entitlement, with pay?
    What's "pay"? You US, you get "corp-credits", which you can exchange in the company store for nutri-tablets and a daily ration of water.

    You mean like "Disney Dollars"?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_dollar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djan Seriy Anaplian View Post
    What's the federal minimum holiday entitlement, with pay?
    haha none
    https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/holiday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varcaus View Post
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    What's the federal minimum holiday entitlement, with pay?
    haha none
    https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/holiday
    hehe i thought so, many thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    actually employing people is soooo 20th century.
    Well, it kind of is. Now we just need society to figure out a way to keep everyone around and doing something fulfilling, because, quite honestly we should automate tedious and dangerous jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lachesis VII View Post
    actually employing people is soooo 20th century.
    Well, it kind of is. Now we just need society to figure out a way to keep everyone around and doing something fulfilling, because, quite honestly we should automate tedious and dangerous jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
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    actually employing people is soooo 20th century.
    Well, it kind of is. Now we just need society to figure out a way to keep everyone around and doing something fulfilling, because, quite honestly we should automate tedious and dangerous jobs.
    Plenty of still unfarmed land i hear. Oh wait that's outsourced/automated too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    Now we just need society to figure out a way to keep everyone around and doing something fulfilling...
    That's for Facebook is for.

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    There is no collusion, and even if there was, it’s not a crime. But there’s no collusion. I don’t even say [inaudible]. I don’t even go that far.
    Guess who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Rumata View Post
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    What's the federal minimum holiday entitlement, with pay?
    What's "pay"? You US, you get "corp-credits", which you can exchange in the company store for nutri-tablets and a daily ration of water.

    You mean like "Disney Dollars"?



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney_dollar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Thanks for reminding me never to live in the USA
    Why? Don't think you could hold down a decent job over here?

    Because if you could, you'll almost assuredly get perfectly good health insurance and you'll only get taxed at 30-odd percent instead of the whatever much higher total tax rate you all pay over there.

    The UK is indeed a great place to live if you can't hold down a job tho. UK is a great place to be poor, the U.S. a great place to be successful.
    Add on student debt together with insurance premiums, that "low" 30-odd percent tax suddenly gets a lot higher. Not to mention I've never been close to 30 percent income tax half of my working career here in the socialist utopia of Norway.

    Thing is, you'd have to be far above the average in successfulness to live as comfortably in the US as in some other countries. Being middle class is not a great prospect for the most part over there is my impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Thanks for reminding me never to live in the USA
    Why? Don't think you could hold down a decent job over here?

    Because if you could, you'll almost assuredly get perfectly good health insurance and you'll only get taxed at 30-odd percent instead of the whatever much higher total tax rate you all pay over there.

    The UK is indeed a great place to live if you can't hold down a job tho. UK is a great place to be poor, the U.S. a great place to be successful.
    Add on student debt together with insurance premiums, that "low" 30-odd percent tax suddenly gets a lot higher. Not to mention I've never been close to 30 percent income tax half of my working career here in the socialist utopia of Norway.

    Thing is, you'd have to be far above the average in successfulness to live as comfortably in the US as in some other countries. Being middle class is not a great prospect for the most part over there is my impression.
    I was taxed at over 30% (well, I got the visiting scientist reduction, so it was actually less) in DK from monthly income of approx. 5300€. But comparing tax rates is a bit nonsensical, as you'd need to look at total costs based on income for similar services.

    For example, Erich's figures for health insurance (~$300) would easily increase the effective tax rate to 30-odd plus 6%.

    I would argue that the US tax rates are similar to the EU, if not higher, once you make the services provided comparable. Rate is more likely to be smaller for high earners in the US though, as there's no progression? So basically: for most jobs, don't move to the US - if you are a specialist in your field and can get a six figure salary easily, then it's worth it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timaios View Post
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    Thanks for reminding me never to live in the USA
    Why? Don't think you could hold down a decent job over here?

    Because if you could, you'll almost assuredly get perfectly good health insurance and you'll only get taxed at 30-odd percent instead of the whatever much higher total tax rate you all pay over there.

    The UK is indeed a great place to live if you can't hold down a job tho. UK is a great place to be poor, the U.S. a great place to be successful.
    Add on student debt together with insurance premiums, that "low" 30-odd percent tax suddenly gets a lot higher. Not to mention I've never been close to 30 percent income tax half of my working career here in the socialist utopia of Norway.

    Thing is, you'd have to be far above the average in successfulness to live as comfortably in the US as in some other countries. Being middle class is not a great prospect for the most part over there is my impression.
    I was taxed at over 30% (well, I got the visiting scientist reduction, so it was actually less) in DK from monthly income of approx. 5300€. But comparing tax rates is a bit nonsensical, as you'd need to look at total costs based on income for similar services.

    For example, Erich's figures for health insurance (~$300) would easily increase the effective tax rate to 30-odd plus 6%.

    I would argue that the US tax rates are similar to the EU, if not higher, once you make the services provided comparable. Rate is more likely to be smaller for high earners in the US though, as there's no progression? So basically: for most jobs, don't move to the US - if you are a specialist in your field and can get a six figure salary easily, then it's worth it?
    Probably. Maybe. You have moved over and gotten a comfortable job with a six figure salary, and then one evening driving home after work, you get pulled over in a routine traffic stop. Not being American, you take those events with a nonchalant calm. As you watch the red and blue light flicker in your rear view mirror you feel the urge to take another sip from your e-cigarette as you are trying to cut down on smoking. As you are inhaling a blend of strawberry and kiwi fruit deliciousness from your e-device, you suddenly hear a frantic voice coming from your left side:

    "HE HAS A GUN, DROP THE GUN MOTHERFUCKER, SHI...."

    And then everything suddenly goes dark.

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    The only reason to call the police in the USA is if you think a situation has escalated to the point that you need somebody killed.

    I never felt that level of fear when interacting with police in Denmark.

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