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    My only current lead on the primaries is FHC so my question is this: Who is the Tea Party candidate of those 17? Or is the party so hijacked by now its 15 out of 17?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    My only current lead on the primaries is FHC so my question is this: Who is the Tea Party candidate of those 17? Or is the party so hijacked by now its 15 out of 17?
    15/17
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    My only current lead on the primaries is FHC so my question is this: Who is the Tea Party candidate of those 17? Or is the party so hijacked by now its 15 out of 17?
    Tea party is republicans, tea partiers are just delusional about themselves because being delusional is the republican base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
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    Anybody have a link to a video of the full debate?
    Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to that?
    M8 I'm 25 minutes in and this is the best thing I've watched in a while.

    Guess that's the difference between you and I, I don't see the comedy value. This is srs business.

    The pathetic nature of the modern (R) party and it's legion of like-minded chuckleheads is a serious problem.
    it is a serious problem, you're right, but it is, hilariously, finally particularly a serious problem for the GOP which, for a generation has been driving a message to the peasants of "americaness" equalling bigotry, xenophobia, selfishness, anti-intellectualism, hatred of government and servile deference to the 0.1% - and now after 3 decades of poisoning the well as a club to beat the opposition with, is seeing to their absolute horror that their 'base' was actually taking them seriously and is clamouring to vote for a candidate who perfectly embodies those principles. And now they're going to have to drink long and deep from that well.

    Hosea 8:7.

    For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
    Presumes that one of these myriad chuckleheads cannot beat Hitlery Clinton. In the U.S. With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).

    While I think Clinton IS going to win, I wouldn't guarantee it as bad and charm-less/charisma-less a candidate as she is, with her viewed by many as corrupt/untrustworthy, with a host of investigations into her (IMO lawbreaking) as Sec. State and corruption with her charity, and worst of all for a Dem., not remotely progressive. Even if, as some say, it's ALL just fabrication (Lol, bias based naive much?), some of it will stick come the general, ad she'll say at least a dozen ridiculous things a la "we're so poor, boo hoo" before then as well that will cost her votes. She's a bad candidate beyond her gender and name recog. tbqh.

    And IF (big IF) a Republican wins, I'd like to have some hope they won't be utterly horrible G.W.Bush II. The debate did not inspire any such hope, and FOX's management of it was pretty pathetic as well tbh.
    Who is she losing this hypothetical charm contest to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    My only current lead on the primaries is FHC so my question is this: Who is the Tea Party candidate of those 17? Or is the party so hijacked by now its 15 out of 17?
    Tea party is republicans, tea partiers are just delusional about themselves because being delusional is the republican base.
    So its 17/17?
    Really its just entertainment for me atm. Just an issue if a tea party person actually gets president.
    What would that look like? srsq?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
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    My only current lead on the primaries is FHC so my question is this: Who is the Tea Party candidate of those 17? Or is the party so hijacked by now its 15 out of 17?
    Tea party is republicans, tea partiers are just delusional about themselves because being delusional is the republican base.
    So its 17/17?
    Really its just entertainment for me atm. Just an issue if a tea party person actually gets president.
    What would that look like? srsq?!
    I dunno, if they do anything then they are big government getting in our business and my head will explode from the irony.

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    At least Bush II seemed like a decent guy, Trump is just an asshole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Anybody have a link to a video of the full debate?
    Why on Earth would you want to subject yourself to that?
    M8 I'm 25 minutes in and this is the best thing I've watched in a while.

    Guess that's the difference between you and I, I don't see the comedy value. This is srs business.

    The pathetic nature of the modern (R) party and it's legion of like-minded chuckleheads is a serious problem.
    it is a serious problem, you're right, but it is, hilariously, finally particularly a serious problem for the GOP which, for a generation has been driving a message to the peasants of "americaness" equalling bigotry, xenophobia, selfishness, anti-intellectualism, hatred of government and servile deference to the 0.1% - and now after 3 decades of poisoning the well as a club to beat the opposition with, is seeing to their absolute horror that their 'base' was actually taking them seriously and is clamouring to vote for a candidate who perfectly embodies those principles. And now they're going to have to drink long and deep from that well.

    Hosea 8:7.

    For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind: it hath no stalk: the bud shall yield no meal: if so be it yield, the strangers shall swallow it up.
    Presumes that one of these myriad chuckleheads cannot beat Hitlery Clinton. In the U.S. With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).

    While I think Clinton IS going to win, I wouldn't guarantee it as bad and charm-less/charisma-less a candidate as she is, with her viewed by many as corrupt/untrustworthy, with a host of investigations into her (IMO lawbreaking) as Sec. State and corruption with her charity, and worst of all for a Dem., not remotely progressive. Even if, as some say, it's ALL just fabrication (Lol, bias based naive much?), some of it will stick come the general, ad she'll say at least a dozen ridiculous things a la "we're so poor, boo hoo" before then as well that will cost her votes. She's a bad candidate beyond her gender and name recog. tbqh.

    And IF (big IF) a Republican wins, I'd like to have some hope they won't be utterly horrible G.W.Bush II. The debate did not inspire any such hope, and FOX's management of it was pretty pathetic as well tbh.
    Who is she losing this hypothetical charm contest to?
    You tell me, Malc, do YOU see Clinton as personable, likable, trustable, charismatic, ethical, moral, a good speaker who reaches people, etc? Do you think she has a good grasp of the issues, or does she float where the polls of that moment go (be wary answering that one, given her history, mate).

    If you answer yes to all that....wow.....but then for you, it's moot.

    But ask yourself how a nobody with no resume of any kind beat the mighty Clinton Juggernaut last time round. Psst, it wasn't because of Obamas vast resume my friend.




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    Looks like he handled it very well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Bernie handled it just fine. The protesters went too far after that initial bit.

    I think the protester thing would fit in just fine in the political correctness thred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebomby View Post
    I find it incredible that a whole country can actually be more retarded than FHC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
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    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
    None, obviously. It's an article of faith to the GOP faithful ever since Nixon started talking about the silent majority.

    (in b4 misrepresenting the results of the mid-term elections)
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
    None, obviously. It's an article of faith to the GOP faithful ever since Nixon started talking about the silent majority.

    (in b4 misrepresenting the results of the mid-term elections)
    Actually the popular vote amounts versus voter turnout are close enough that there is a comfortable margin of error to make his statement without statistical dumbshittery. It won't stop him but it's there for all to see.

    Edit for example Kerry lost the popular vote, and if you go in the way back machine 1988 and prior the popular vote went republican more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
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    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
    None, obviously. It's an article of faith to the GOP faithful ever since Nixon started talking about the silent majority.

    (in b4 misrepresenting the results of the mid-term elections)
    Actually the popular vote amounts versus voter turnout are close enough that there is a comfortable margin of error to make his statement without statistical dumbshittery. It won't stop him but it's there for all to see.

    Edit for example Kerry lost the popular vote, and if you go in the way back machine 1988 and prior the popular vote went republican more often.
    It all depends on your definition (and I'm sure Alistair will have some crazy ones). If 'left' is 'anyone who's not right', then it's bullshit. If 'left' is 'them socialist folk', then it's obviously true. But then, the wingnut right is also a minority. And smaller at that. It's just that they're far more noisy (and have massive financial backing in comparison).

    And with all the shenanigans going on in US elections, you can't just take the vote for it. The popular vote is skewed by voter suppression activities (and still Gore and Obama won it). Voter turnout is skewed by Gerrymandering (In places it takes several, even many, democratic votes to offset one republican vote, and still Obama won twice). Why would the GOP in particular pursue both activities so vigorously if the 'silent majority' would vote red?

    Demographically the gap is widening BTW. No surprise there either. Why would the minorities vote for a bigoted and racist GOP?

    Overall, and historically the US is a liberal country. It has a large middle-ground swing-vote though, which could go either way. At times (McCarthy, Bush Jr.) it swings to the right. This bolloxes up everything. After which it quickly swings back to its more natural, liberal position (it has never swung left, not even with Roosevelt). There's no definition in the world in which you would term the current GOP a liberal party. At enormous expense it can keep muddling the waters for a while longer, but if it keeps this up, it's inevitably heading for a Know-Nothing endgame.

    Overall, numerically, the majority of the people in the US simply aren't into the right. Certainly not now ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
    None, obviously. It's an article of faith to the GOP faithful ever since Nixon started talking about the silent majority.

    (in b4 misrepresenting the results of the mid-term elections)
    Actually the popular vote amounts versus voter turnout are close enough that there is a comfortable margin of error to make his statement without statistical dumbshittery. It won't stop him but it's there for all to see.

    Edit for example Kerry lost the popular vote, and if you go in the way back machine 1988 and prior the popular vote went republican more often.
    It all depends on your definition (and I'm sure Alistair will have some crazy ones). If 'left' is 'anyone who's not right', then it's bullshit. If 'left' is 'them socialist folk', then it's obviously true. But then, the wingnut right is also a minority. And smaller at that. It's just that they're far more noisy (and have massive financial backing in comparison).

    And with all the shenanigans going on in US elections, you can't just take the vote for it. The popular vote is skewed by voter suppression activities (and still Gore and Obama won it). Voter turnout is skewed by Gerrymandering (In places it takes several, even many, democratic votes to offset one republican vote, and still Obama won twice). Why would the GOP in particular pursue both activities so vigorously if the 'silent majority' would vote red?

    Demographically the gap is widening BTW. No surprise there either. Why would the minorities vote for a bigoted and racist GOP?

    Overall, and historically the US is a liberal country. It has a large middle-ground swing-vote though, which could go either way. At times (McCarthy, Bush Jr.) it swings to the right. This bolloxes up everything. After which it quickly swings back to its more natural, liberal position (it has never swung left, not even with Roosevelt). There's no definition in the world in which you would term the current GOP a liberal party. At enormous expense it can keep muddling the waters for a while longer, but if it keeps this up, it's inevitably heading for a Know-Nothing endgame.

    Overall, numerically, the majority of the people in the US simply aren't into the right. Certainly not now ...
    Well he uses the word "progressives" which follows a myriad of labels from sane to crazy. His view relies on the fact that the GOP hasn't gone over the rails in to crazy town. Which they have, I wish they would come back but they keep digging their hole deeper.

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    Actually an '06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
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    With this electorate (where, despite claims by progressives, the left is still a numerical minority right now).
    Citation?
    None, obviously.
    Gladly.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/180452/li...ervatives.aspx

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/conserva...ls-poll-shows/

    http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/...d-red-vs-blue/

    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartholomeus Crane View Post
    Overall, and historically the US is a liberal country.
    Citation please?
    Last edited by Alistair; August 9 2015 at 09:40:20 PM.




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    There seems to be a bit of a chasm between ideology and voting behavior though.


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    For instance, the fact that Trump still hasn't budged in the lastest poll since the "debate."
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    I find it incredible that a whole country can actually be more retarded than FHC.

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