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    Ahahahahaha that dudes face is so damn funny, trying not to tell that lady she's stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ValorousBob View Post
    Ahahahahaha that dudes face is so damn funny, trying not to tell that lady she's stupid.
    Not so much stupid, is what I thought, but trying not to tell her that what she was saying was, actually, very racist.

    edit: which was my point before: racism, in the US (especially), is so common, widespread, and institutional (not just) among the white population that, sometimes, they just don't recognise or notice it any more. Take that silly bat. I'm convinced that, still, to this day, she doesn't think she said anything wrong or racist. That it's all 'political correctness' etc. Or some other bullshit excuse. But it isn't. And there is no excuse. But it basically takes an outsider (i.e., outside the bubble, could be 'Merican as well) to point that out. And it is sad, because it used to be that it stayed below the surface (somewhat). But now, with Trump basically doing the same while running for the country's highest office, it has basically been brought out in the open. And that is pretty scary. The same is happening in the UK (and France, etc.) with UKIP/Brexit (or Front National, etc.), BTW.
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    Speaking of that, am I the only one that noticed that Trump finally made a statement sympathetic to blacks only when a black, and a woman, cop shot?
    That's subtle in Trump reference standards, but still...
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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.


    

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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    Because they've demonstrated either an intent to commit a serious crime or through negligence/stupidity allowed one to happen. I think there should be a method for felons having their rights restored, but I'm certainly not opposed to them having those rights taken away in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mewninn View Post
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    Top keks, right here. Palmer Luckey is a Trumptard. http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a=twitter_page

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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    Because they've demonstrated either an intent to commit a serious crime or through negligence/stupidity allowed one to happen. I think there should be a method for felons having their rights restored, but I'm certainly not opposed to them having those rights taken away in the first place.
    That's what prison is for. After it they did their time. Heck here after a set period their public record says they never were in jail.


    

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    Is someone making new versions of these? I should still have Katrina - The Gathering somewhere on my HDD (site's still up as well)
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
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    Is someone making new versions of these? I should still have Katrina - The Gathering somewhere on my HDD (site's still up as well)
    Dunno, there have always been parody cards posted as long as I can remember. This one just came on my FLGS FB page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
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    Is someone making new versions of these? I should still have Katrina - The Gathering somewhere on my HDD (site's still up as well)
    Dunno, there have always been parody cards posted as long as I can remember. This one just came on my FLGS FB page.
    Yeah, I want a current fucking repository though, though must be at least one nerd put there who collects all the various one coming from different people.

    Would do it (both collecting and making ones) myself if I weren't so lazy, unskilled at graphics and knew MTG better
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    Quote Originally Posted by FatFreddy View Post
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    Is someone making new versions of these? I should still have Katrina - The Gathering somewhere on my HDD (site's still up as well)
    Dunno, there have always been parody cards posted as long as I can remember. This one just came on my FLGS FB page.
    Yeah, I want a current fucking repository though, though must be at least one nerd put there who collects all the various one coming from different people.

    Would do it (both collecting and making ones) myself if I weren't so lazy, unskilled at graphics and knew MTG better
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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    You're asking us to answer for why 50 different States, over 200+ years of history, decided at various times and in various ways to bar or limit (or undo limits to) the voting rights of felons.

    I would suggest there is no easy, one line short-version answer to your question. My original answer stands as the best, it's because the people of the States that do this choose to have it that way. And not, I should point out, "because I said so" which is a foolish response to the stated facts here.

    If the electorate no longer feels it's appropriate, it can and has been changed. Perhaps it should. It's a worthwhile debate to discuss why old things are still the way of things.
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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    You're asking us to answer for why 50 different States, over 200+ years of history, decided at various times and in various ways to bar or limit (or undo limits to) the voting rights of felons.

    I would suggest there is no easy, one line short-version answer to your question. My original answer stands as the best, it's because the people of the States that do this choose to have it that way. And not, I should point out, "because I said so" which is a foolish response to the stated facts here.

    If the electorate no longer feels it's appropriate, it can and has been changed. Perhaps it should. It's a worthwhile debate to discuss why old things are still the way of things.
    The UK did the same before the EU ruled it illegal but TBH I think it was called right originally. If you break the rules of society then you should lose the right to vote.

    The only real supporting case I can see for it is that potentially it would prevent political prisoners from voting, but then if your country is locking up lots of political prisoners any vote is likely a complete sham anyway.

    It doesn't really make much difference either way though since the prison population likely isn't big enough to sway an election. (well maybe in murica where you lock people up for being black in public)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yankunytjatjara View Post
    Speaking of that, am I the only one that noticed that Trump finally made a statement sympathetic to blacks only when a black, and a woman, cop shot?
    That's subtle in Trump reference standards, but still...
    Not quite. Well, in Trump terms that is. He's be going on about 'what have you got to lose' to blacks for some time. Getting no traction whatsoever as far as I can tell. Whether that's a statement sympathetic to blacks is arguable I suppose.
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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    You're asking us to answer for why 50 different States, over 200+ years of history, decided at various times and in various ways to bar or limit (or undo limits to) the voting rights of felons.

    I would suggest there is no easy, one line short-version answer to your question. My original answer stands as the best, it's because the people of the States that do this choose to have it that way. And not, I should point out, "because I said so" which is a foolish response to the stated facts here.

    If the electorate no longer feels it's appropriate, it can and has been changed. Perhaps it should. It's a worthwhile debate to discuss why old things are still the way of things.
    The UK did the same before the EU ruled it illegal but TBH I think it was called right originally. If you break the rules of society then you should lose the right to vote.

    The only real supporting case I can see for it is that potentially it would prevent political prisoners from voting, but then if your country is locking up lots of political prisoners any vote is likely a complete sham anyway.

    It doesn't really make much difference either way though since the prison population likely isn't big enough to sway an election. (well maybe in murica where you lock people up for being black in public)
    I can't see any reason to permanently exclude anyone from their 'inalienable' rights whatsoever. Unless you still thing eugenics is a good thing. I have to say, it doesn't surprise me in the least that a country as debased as the US still holds to such things.
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    I'm OK with banning felons from gun ownership.
    So am I.

    But I'd really prefer if we fixed our fucked up felony voter laws before we started taking even more rights from felons.
    Real talk. First we fix up the fucked up list of felons by rolling back the war on drugs as much as we can. Then the felons that are left are probably murderers, rapists and other irredeemables. Then we consider what rights they should have.
    If they served their time why should their rights be reduced in any way?
    Because at one point the people, through their elected officials, decided they wanted it that way.

    Loss of their right to vote is part of "their time", their punishment.

    If the majority wants to change it, then they'll referendum or elect folks to change it.

    My state (VA) is doing just that. Given how purplish some think VA is, someone might need their help.
    That's not really an argument tho.
    It's a statement of fact. Being found guilty of a felony has some rather harsh outcomes beyond a prison term. This includes losing the right to vote, losing the right to own a firearm, losing the ability to get a federally backed loan, losing the ability to apply for specific federal aide platforms and a few other things here and there. It's part and parcel of why the war on drugs have hit the poor community so hard. They lose quite a bit beyond time served in prison.
    Yes but I asked a question. Answering that with:"because I said so" does not for a compelling argument make.
    You're asking us to answer for why 50 different States, over 200+ years of history, decided at various times and in various ways to bar or limit (or undo limits to) the voting rights of felons.

    I would suggest there is no easy, one line short-version answer to your question. My original answer stands as the best, it's because the people of the States that do this choose to have it that way. And not, I should point out, "because I said so" which is a foolish response to the stated facts here.

    If the electorate no longer feels it's appropriate, it can and has been changed. Perhaps it should. It's a worthwhile debate to discuss why old things are still the way of things.
    The UK did the same before the EU ruled it illegal but TBH I think it was called right originally. If you break the rules of society then you should lose the right to vote.

    The only real supporting case I can see for it is that potentially it would prevent political prisoners from voting, but then if your country is locking up lots of political prisoners any vote is likely a complete sham anyway.

    It doesn't really make much difference either way though since the prison population likely isn't big enough to sway an election. (well maybe in murica where you lock people up for being black in public)
    I can't see any reason to permanently exclude anyone from their 'inalienable' rights whatsoever. Unless you still thing eugenics is a good thing. I have to say, it doesn't surprise me in the least that a country as debased as the US still holds to such things.
    I didn't say permanently exclude. Obviously when the sentence is served their right to vote should be reinstated.


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    Wait, if you serve a prison sentence in the US, you can't vote either after you've served that time?

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