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    neat writeup, mate.

    Is there any reason for me not to buy a Intel Pentium + micro ATX board (6x Sata, 1 - 2x PCI-E) for NAS / Multimedia system?
    Because the Pentium are quite nice with AES-NI, all kind of virtual thingies, HVEC decoding and only ~120 EUR for Mobo + CPU

    Do we even know if AMD r3 will have an GPU build in?
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    Zekk Pacus' I am not good at naming these hardware thread, Feb '15

    Depends on what you plan to run on the NAS, if it's freenas you should go for ecc ram and I'm p sure the Pentium can't into it.


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    Neh, probably Open Media Vault (Debian). Not sure if and what raid or filesystem, but probably not zfs. I just want something super silent and low powered, but that also can do media playback. Not dual Xeon with 32 disks :P

    Maybe even Snapraid http://www.snapraid.it
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    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    neat writeup, mate.

    Is there any reason for me not to buy a Intel Pentium + micro ATX board (6x Sata, 1 - 2x PCI-E) for NAS / Multimedia system?
    Because the Pentium are quite nice with AES-NI, all kind of virtual thingies, HVEC decoding and only ~120 EUR for Mobo + CPU

    Do we even know if AMD r3 will have an GPU build in?
    I don't think the r3 will have an iGPU since that will be part of the Ravenridge line (which will be basically Laptop-targeted Ryzens with a VEGA based iGPU, scheduled for 2nd half of 2017). Now it's possible that the lines will be blurry between those and the r3 will come with an iGPU, but it's at least not what AMD is currently telling.

    That said, the ryzens performance in undervolted scenarios is pretty impressive and it seems as if the r3 or the small ravenridge version might be extremely good for a small homeserver.
    This of course is your typical if you wait you might get something better issue. If the current system you envision fulfills your criteria, go for it. Intels lineup (especially in the lower price segments) didn't suddenly turn bad. There are still a number of very mature CPUs and boards that will offer good value for the money. And for something like a "build it and it sits there for 10 years homeserver" mature is exactly what you want.
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    Nice writeup, it matches the impressions I've been gathering the last couple of days.

    Luckily or sadly depending on mood/wallet I shouldn't need to upgrade for another 2-3 years but it's really nice to see AMD releasing some cracking CPU's again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
    The issue back then was the AMD basically guessed that multitreading would be king and they guessed wrong/early by like 5 years. The difference today is that the change is already happening.
    This is always AMD's problem. They're one of the very few innovative companies left in semiconductor design so they often develop products that are a long way ahead of what the market is expecting. But history usually proves them right, and it will this time too.

    tbh, I think very few people understand just how disruptive Ryzen is going to be. Two years from now the CPU market will be radically different, with lower prices, bigger core counts and much less product segmentation. Intel is going to have to push it's best parts down to mainstream prices, compressing the product stack and killing off shitty filler parts like the Celeron, Pentium and i3. I expect there will still be a mainstream/HEDT split but with the high end going back to the old days of being Workstation grade stuff - ie, re-badged server CPUs and chipsets with huge memory bandwidth and swarms of PCIe lanes. A single-socket Naples platform would sell very well to people who buy Intel's HEDT stuff now.

    The big unknown is how Intel deals with AMD's attack on its core business model. Intel spends vast amounts on R&D and keeping a dozen fabs running, and traditionally this has given them an almost unbeatable edge. Yet AMD has managed to match (and arguably exceed) Intel's products on a tiny budget and while being completely fabless. Investors will start asking difficult questions about what good all that spending is doing.

    And to add to Intel's woes AMD is no longer capacity constrained. In the days of the K6-2, Athlon and Athlon 64 AMD couldn't get much above 30% of the market because their fabs couldn't keep up with demand. I remember how bad it was in in the K6/K6-2 era, AMD could easily have doubled their sales if the fab capacity had been available. But this time GloFo and Samsung can pump out wafers at a huge clip, so Intel has lost that crucial advantage.

    One final thing occurs to me; Ryzen is bad news for Intel, but will be deeply worrying for NVidia too. A resurgent CPU business means lots of funding for AMD's resource-starved GPU division, and Raven Ridge should kill off a big chunk of NV's very lucrative mobile GPU business.

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    I thought intel all but tapped out of the desktop CPU market due to dollar signs from embedded computing in everything else?

    Happy for AMD and I hope there competitiveness continues as intel was really taking the piss with the i7 k line.

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    Intel are in embedded? ARM yes, Intel idk but I've not been paying attention...
    Unless you mean controllers for things like SSDs, rather than CPUs/SOCs.

    Intel have previously also tried to innovate with long-term thinking, but they ended up with the far-too-long-for-x86 pipeline of the Pentium4 (though it did spur/necessitate branch predictor improvments) and the Itanium VLIW ISA to try tackle the same anticipated future but this time having the compilers & code forced to work with the ISA rather than be lazy/ignorant of it.
    Maybe they just got unlucky twice, or maybe they're not applying enough practical thinking, because AMD's innovations of first-to-1GHz, to-64bit, to-true-multi-core iirc have all been much more inevitable and mechanical than trying to fix or replace x86 by assuming significant changes to single-threaded ops patterns. And RISC clearly works well enough for all these ARM devices (and POWER in supercomputers).
    God, x86 is such a shit, backwards-compat-hobbled CISC. Itanium ISA would have been so nice to have but just wasn't practical to expect people to port enough code to get critical mass. At least we're almost able to accept x86-64 chips that have no 32bit backwards compatibility bloat SoonTM. IIRC there's benefits that simplify & improve cache and RAM interaction, as well as using all the additional registers, at the "cost" of emulated 16bit and 32bit support being at less-than-native speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    Intel are in embedded? ARM yes, Intel idk but I've not been paying attention...
    Intel's embedded efforts aren't worth shit. They've been trying to use Atom parts in the embedded space, and while sales are ok-ish they got most of them by selling chips below cost. And now certain Atom models have been found to be defective due to a clock output that degrades rapidly and ultimately dies, bricking the device.

    Itanium was a stupid, stupid, stupid idea. The whole point of it was to transition the industry to an architecture AMD couldn't legally use. But Intel never seemed to grasp that the whole damn point of x86 was compatibility and anything that didn't offer 100% compatibility with decent performance just wouldn't sell at all. And even ignoring the x86 compatibility issue, Itanium never worked as intended. It depended completely on the compiler to optimise code and Intel's compiler just never got anywhere near the efficiency it needed to beat x86 performance. And every time a new generation of Itaniums came out software needed re-compiling for maximum performance. In a fantasy land where everyone compiled their software from source it might have worked, but not in reality.

    x86-64 was a genius move by comparison. Fully compatible, all the benefits of a 64-bit architecture and a (somewhat) nicer ISA than x86. It must have burned Intel horribly to have to adopt an AMD developed ISA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombcrater View Post
    In a fantasy land where everyone compiled their software from source it might have worked, but not in reality.
    You say that, but Linux was & still is the biggest server OS, look how ARM + Android took off, Macs were still using POWER CPUs, a significant use-case of Windows is gaming yet only the first XBox was x86, and everyone was staring down the shift to 64bit+increasingly useful SIMD & VM extensions, so they weren't so crazy to offer a chip for those wanting the best performance for a little work. Anything unable to be recompiled cost-effectively was probably legacy stuff that didn't need more performance (or had been put off for far too long).
    Yes the compiler & even languages would need to be up to scratch very promptly though.
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    New nvidia driver has some nice improvements for selected games:

    13% in my test with Hitman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    You say that, but Linux was & still is the biggest server OS, look how ARM + Android took off, Macs were still using POWER CPUs, a significant use-case of Windows is gaming yet only the first XBox was x86, and everyone was staring down the shift to 64bit+increasingly useful SIMD & VM extensions, so they weren't so crazy to offer a chip for those wanting the best performance for a little work. Anything unable to be recompiled cost-effectively was probably legacy stuff that didn't need more performance (or had been put off for far too long).
    It's not a coincidence that Intel pushed Itanium into the server market first since, as you say, recompiling wasn't always a deal breaker there. But Itanium first hit the market in 2001, at that time the server market was side show compared to desktops. Success in servers was not, at that point, going to be enough to make an architecture viable long-term. And Itanium wasn't a success there because the idea behind it was flawed; Intel seemed to have a line in their Itanium strategy that read 'and then write magic compiler'. But the magic compiler never happened. In order to get the kind of performance Intel promised from the original Itaniums you needed code written specifically for that architecture's strengths, by coders who had a low-level understanding of how the both the chip and Intel's compiler worked. Just recompiling existing unmodified code wasn't enough to make Itanium look better than competing architectures.

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    Here is a good video that shows how bad ryzen is at videogames. Would not buy.

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    Quake 2 is now somehow relevant?

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    It's a shitpost you new fag. Have you not watched the video?
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    Ah, but if you look closely, the *quality* of the game was better on Ryzen. After all, the Ryzen system got 5 more frames!

    With an 7700k, you might miss out on nekked blue alien buttframes!
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    Getting myself a R7 1700 as soon as the bugs etc iron out. It will be a sad day when I finally power down the 2600k for the last time, but can hardly complain after 6 years of daily use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    It's a shitpost you new fag. Have you not watched the video?
    I haven't, was on a shitty limited mobile connection. :P

    Also new fag, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
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    It's a shitpost you new fag. Have you not watched the video?
    I haven't, was on a shitty limited mobile connection. :P

    Also new fag, really?
    Pfft November 11's.

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