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    Post Something, something, TMC Chat logs

    You will not find private chat logs. These are only from the Jabber channel that everyone chatted in. To be frank, logs from this channel have been leaked to places for as long as it was started, but for the most part only to leadership type people of alliances or whatever. I really don't know who exactly, just that this is nothing ground breaking. The other thing is this does not cover every moment. Simply the times I was logged into Jabber. So we are talking US time zone and early Australian time zone for the week days and for the weekend the same thing along with late Euro time zone stuff. Of course thinking back I should have just let my PC run 24/7, but whatever.

    The other thing is I do not expect minds to be seriously blown away. There are some days were nothing is really happening. Boring days. Pretty much echoing what was going on in EVE that day. Also there might be a few days sprinkled in where I did not log into Jabber at all. I imagine there is most likely going to be some things in there that does not show me in the best light, but to go in and delete such things would be not just a lot of searching, but in a way water down the logs. I'm sure no one is going to be running up patting me on the back or cheering for me either. lol

    What you will find is things ranging from B-R to the first Somer scandal and a wide variety of stuff in between. Some good, some bad. Apologies to those who are within who I still talk to. This is not meant as any attack on anyone, but more of pulling the curtain back a bit for the normal person to peer in. I strongly suggest just doing searches for key words you are interested in. Reading everything will be a bit time consuming. It starts 2013-2-6 until 2014-2-5. A full year. Another bit of advice is to try and keep track of what is happening in EVE on the day you are reading. It may help you understand the context a bit. If you have legitimate questions on specific things, send me a mail and I will try and shed some light on it if I can remember what it was pertaining to.

    A certain someone expressed vividly that no one reads FHC. I guess we will find out.

    --> Link to the logs <--

    Fake Edit: And no I don't care about winning over anyone who previously did not care for me or anything like that.
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    This is FHC, people are lazy. Should be a way to put the logs up somewhere in an easy searchable manner.
    Then again, it's FHC, how much of what's inside these logs is really going to be surprising.

    Should be interesting either way though, for a fair few debates ongoing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virtuozzo View Post
    This is FHC, people are lazy. Should be a way to put the logs up somewhere in an easy searchable manner.
    Then again, it's FHC, how much of what's inside these logs is really going to be surprising.

    Should be interesting either way though, for a fair few debates ongoing here.
    Sorry. My computer and web knowledge in regards to this stuff is rather limited.

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    I've combined them into one webpage so it's easy ctrl+f-able, but it's 22 megabytes, so please click with care: https://pasta.gg/bullpen.html

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    Allrighty then, so who's going to dig into that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucia Denniard View Post
    I've combined them into one webpage so it's easy ctrl+f-able, but it's 22 megabytes, so please click with care: https://pasta.gg/bullpen.html
    Holy shit that is one giant web page! I clicked on it and my IP gave me the finger.

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    There is something of value in this, maybe maybe. I'm interested on a specific subject : since TheMittani is posting again on TMC, he's no more trying to get a ~subtle bias~ and went in full propaganda mode. Comments are being mass-removed from his articles just because they don't agree with him (ie no insults, I'm talking about constructive comments). At the moment, most of the comments are knee-jerking ones, and a few "grr mittens" that he kept (only keeping the worst comments, and most with an answer of his own).

    (12:48:09 PM) the_mittani: pagination whiners are in the same category at this point as 'other game' whiners
    (12:48:16 PM) the_mittani: we just ban them from the comments and move on
    (12:48:32 PM) the_mittani: HOW DARE YOU COVER NON-EVE GAMES was a thing for the first month of launch, and when we began covering LoL
    (12:48:58 PM) the_mittani: En24 teaches us valuable lessons about comment moderation: you pretty much cannot be too strict when it comes to purging whiners
    (12:49:30 PM) the_mittani: similarly I nuke any tldr commentators
    (12:49:37 PM) the_mittani: THIS WAS TOO LONG I *banned and deleted*
    (9:00:27 PM) the_mittani: the general rule for comment moderation is this: they can attack anyone in eve as much as they want as long as they don't use racial, ethnic, homophobic slurs or the like
    Tried a few keywords, 'didnt get much luck. Your logs are too old I guess : (

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    Cripes, narrative control as sole instrument, micromanaging all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reppyk View Post
    There is something of value in this, maybe maybe. I'm interested on a specific subject : since TheMittani is posting again on TMC, he's no more trying to get a ~subtle bias~ and went in full propaganda mode. Comments are being mass-removed from his articles just because they don't agree with him (ie no insults, I'm talking about constructive comments). At the moment, most of the comments are knee-jerking ones, and a few "grr mittens" that he kept (only keeping the worst comments, and most with an answer of his own).

    (12:48:09 PM) the_mittani: pagination whiners are in the same category at this point as 'other game' whiners
    (12:48:16 PM) the_mittani: we just ban them from the comments and move on
    (12:48:32 PM) the_mittani: HOW DARE YOU COVER NON-EVE GAMES was a thing for the first month of launch, and when we began covering LoL
    (12:48:58 PM) the_mittani: En24 teaches us valuable lessons about comment moderation: you pretty much cannot be too strict when it comes to purging whiners
    (12:49:30 PM) the_mittani: similarly I nuke any tldr commentators
    (12:49:37 PM) the_mittani: THIS WAS TOO LONG I *banned and deleted*
    (9:00:27 PM) the_mittani: the general rule for comment moderation is this: they can attack anyone in eve as much as they want as long as they don't use racial, ethnic, homophobic slurs or the like
    Tried a few keywords, 'didnt get much luck. Your logs are too old I guess : (
    He didn't start doing his blog thing on TMC until months after I was fired. So yeah, the logs are old. Which was one of the reasons why I don't feel bad about releasing them. But from what I am told, the current logs would be fantastic. Who knows. Maybe some current TMC staff member who is getting treated like shit (there are a decent amount actually) will release the current logs. I mean why not. It's not like anyone but the ultra select few is actually getting paid and demanding WSJ quality from volunteers is a bit over the top. Not to mention it spices up the otherwise stagnant game we have going on right now. Sans the Somer thing of course.

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    Since we're on the subject, do you have any idea where I could find these lists :
    - EVE Writers being paid in $
    - EVE Writers being paid in isks only (like you, I guess)
    - Comments mods
    I'm not interested in the forum mods, which I guess is a failure (never clicked on that and will probably never will).

    Assuming that the comments mods play EVE Online and that at least 4 non-CFC writers got purged in the last 4 months, I'm guessing more and more people behind this website are from the CFC.
    I got this : http://themittani.com/the-team
    But only a few of them are currently writing ; and for some, it's really hard to know who they really are in-game.
    It's even harder for mods ; I only get a disqus nickname, and most of the moderation is invisible anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reppyk View Post
    Since we're on the subject, do you have any idea where I could find these lists :
    - EVE Writers being paid in $
    - EVE Writers being paid in isks only (like you, I guess)
    - Comments mods
    I'm not interested in the forum mods, which I guess is a failure (never clicked on that and will probably never will).

    Assuming that the comments mods play EVE Online and that at least 4 non-CFC writers got purged in the last 4 months, I'm guessing more and more people behind this website are from the CFC.
    I got this : http://themittani.com/the-team
    But only a few of them are currently writing ; and for some, it's really hard to know who they really are in-game.
    It's even harder for mods ; I only get a disqus nickname, and most of the moderation is invisible anyway.
    The pay structure has changed many times, but only those at the very top received real life money. There was one guy who wrote like a bajillion news pieces and eventually started being paid real money via paypal, but that was a while ago. No clue if he is still there. What is a 'thing' is to come on with a different name instead of using your in game name. That way you can write without the automatic assumption you will slant your stuff a certain way. But just by being in the jabber bullpen long enough it became obvious real fast who their main aligned with. Meh.

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    This just seems like a bad idea. It's going to cause more trouble than it solves.
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    Man Mynnna seems to be turbo bitter about everything

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    I found one bit worth dragging out. Not that it's news to anyone.


    (8:46:56 PM) marlona_sky: powers: is there a reason you just posted bullpen chat logs? did we not go down this road not long ago?
    (8:47:01 PM) ubastij: i have #games though
    (8:47:02 PM) powers: and get a mod to hook it up
    (8:47:20 PM) powers: go down what road
    (8:47:44 PM) marlona_sky: posting bullpen chat logs
    (8:47:52 PM) powers: is that a nono
    (8:48:04 PM) marlona_sky: remember that one guy who did it while tmc was out?
    (8:48:20 PM) powers: i have no idea what you're talking about
    (8:48:21 PM) ubastij: he was killed by the mittani himself
    (8:48:23 PM) ubastij: true story
    (8:48:24 PM) marlona_sky: and it was reminded to him what happens in bullpen stays in bullpen?
    (8:48:34 PM) powers: i must have missed that day
    (8:48:42 PM) marlona_sky: yeah well delete that post
    (8:49:00 PM) Angry Mustache:
    (8:49:01 PM) marlona_sky: you even threw kimsemus under the bus too, what in the actual fuck man
    (8:49:12 PM) powers: i think you're torlling me
    (8:49:17 PM) powers: but i deleted it
    (8:49:19 PM) ubastij: you're a diplo
    (8:49:22 PM) raphael_saint [raphael_saint@themittani.com/a5bb582a] entered the room.
    (8:49:23 PM) ubastij: you should know better
    (8:49:37 PM) Angry Mustache: welp
    (8:49:47 PM) Angry Mustache: i actually leaked TMC jabber to GSF diplos
    (8:50:18 PM) Angry Mustache: marlona_sky: also did you hear of what you can do with a mobile depot?
    (8:50:20 PM) marlona_sky: well shit, i guess if its a free for all, i might as well unload myself right?
    (8:50:35 PM) powers: is this guy trolling or not
    (8:50:37 PM) powers: i can't tell
    (8:50:43 PM) powers: help pls
    (8:50:46 PM) marlona_sky: powers: ping mittens if you dont believe me
    (8:50:46 PM) lioso_cadelanne: idk
    (8:50:50 PM) Kimsemus: wait what happened
    (8:50:52 PM) Kimsemus: I just came back
    (8:51:01 PM) Angry Mustache: powers leaked this jabber to kugu
    (8:51:05 PM) powers: i pasted the pilious blurb on tmdc
    (8:51:09 PM) powers: i mean kugu
    (8:51:15 PM) marlona_sky: goon writer posted tmc logs on kugu, then from there en24 took those logs and put them in a story
    (8:51:16 PM) Kimsemus: why the fuck did you do that
    (8:51:17 PM) powers: and then deleted it
    (8:51:17 PM) marlona_sky: gg
    (8:51:22 PM) Kimsemus: wow
    (8:51:24 PM) the_mittani: don't leak bullpen
    (8:51:25 PM) Kimsemus: way to fucking go
    (8:51:29 PM) the_mittani: i'll nuke it
    (8:51:40 PM) the_mittani: oh he already edited it out
    (8:51:43 PM) ubastij: the end is nigh
    (8:51:43 PM) powers: i already nuked it
    (8:51:57 PM) Angry Mustache: bad powers
    (8:52:00 PM) the_mittani: 'should i leak this thing' -> '
    (8:52:10 PM) powers: it was just you saying "i like pilious"
    (8:52:16 PM) Kimsemus: like I know I'm new here but jesus christ
    (8:52:21 PM) the_mittani: 'am i in a channel with my spaceboss who is recently notorious for airlocking leakers'
    (8:52:45 PM) the_mittani: it's not the leak itself, it's that contributors cannot trust that they can speak freely if some twat leaks whatever they consider to be funny
    (8:52:45 PM) Kimsemus: if you leak shit from people in other alliances who try to write with you and present shit that goes on outside the cfc
    (8:52:50 PM) Kimsemus: and then throw a fucking hand grenade at them
    (8:52:57 PM) Kimsemus: tmc will be a cfc circle jerk in no time

    (8:53:10 PM) Angry Mustache: point taken, no double standards, even for "tiny things"
    (8:53:14 PM) the_mittani: less finger-wagging, more moving on
    (8:53:15 PM) powers: sorry guys
    (8:53:16 PM) the_mittani: it's handled

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    The Eve player culture doesn't take kindly to leaked logs or forum porn. You have been warned, sor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmychrist View Post
    The Eve player culture doesn't take kindly to leaked logs or forum porn. You have been warned, sor.
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    Darius JOHNSON (former CCP Sreegs) rants about CCP at length (8 September 2013):

    (9:01:57 PM) darius_johnson: (8:53:29 PM) | ubastij: yeah that is a good point, though ccp does seem to prefer broad language for specific issues
    (9:02:05 PM) darius_johnson: I used broad language because I know what I'm doing
    (9:02:10 PM) darius_johnson: I"m pretty sure they're just morons


    later

    (9:09:59 PM) lockefox: oh, darius_johnson, I did mean to ask... there is a legitimate posting at CCP I was thinking of putting in for (data scientist). Terrible idea or terrible idea?
    (9:10:26 PM) ubastij: i applied to the multimedia designer position :smith:
    (9:10:36 PM) Angry Mustache: i thought they had dr. what's his face
    (9:10:40 PM) darius_johnson: up to you
    (9:10:43 PM) lockefox: Data team is expanding
    (9:10:54 PM) darius_johnson: honestly I don't know anyone at ccp who knows what they actually do there
    (9:11:02 PM) mynnna: eyjog seems to dual-hat as economist and head of the data team, yeah.
    (9:11:02 PM) darius_johnson: so maybe it's a great department
    (9:11:05 PM) lockefox: oh, then just like my job now
    (9:11:11 PM) ubastij: that works really well with me, i dont know what i do at my company
    (9:11:38 PM) darius_johnson: having a research department that works on one product and having nobody on that product having ever seen a deliverable for them is never a good thing


    later

    (9:12:31 PM) darius_johnson: I have no idea what eyo does at CCP aside from talk to newspapers
    (9:12:43 PM) lockefox: Have my app all tied up in ribbons tonight.... was going to send it off tomorrow morning. Figured I have braindamage already (I do the work for fun/free already)
    (9:12:44 PM) darius_johnson: AWESOME
    (9:13:04 PM) lockefox: and it fits with my current experience professionally so my CL isn't: I <3 gamez! HIRE ME
    (9:13:28 PM) darius_johnson: Yeah if you want to live in Iceland go for it
    (9:13:31 PM) darius_johnson: they always seemed busy
    (9:13:51 PM) Angry Mustache: darius_johnson: botting is so bad on serenity that honest players can plex their accounts
    (9:14:04 PM) lockefox: if it's anything like my current data-human-centepeede job, I can understand why
    (9:14:27 PM) darius_johnson: Look I'm pretty sure Eyjo doesn't do a fucking thing at CCP I can't be more clear than that.
    (9:14:35 PM) darius_johnson: he certainly doesn't know anything about eve
    (9:14:47 PM) lockefox: figured that from his fanfest talks
    (9:14:47 PM) darius_johnson: So just keep that in mind
    (9:14:48 PM) mynnna: p sure you're wrong.
    (9:14:52 PM) mynnna: about not doing anything, anyway.
    (9:15:06 PM) ubastij: he gave some presentations at fanfest :colbert:
    (9:15:07 PM) mynnna: the development of you being wrong may be more recent than your leaving the company tho
    (9:15:16 PM) darius_johnson: If "sticking his fingers" into everything is "doing something" then ok.
    (9:15:22 PM) darius_johnson: But economically he was useless
    (9:15:25 PM) darius_johnson: see: forex
    (9:15:31 PM) darius_johnson: see: plex


    couple of lines later, still about Dr.EyjoG

    (9:16:18 PM) darius_johnson: mynnna: Maybe his guys got to work on stuff they wanted to do. He's really good at taking credit for things as well.


    later

    (9:19:11 PM) darius_johnson: lockefox: You will be poor and Iceland blows
    (9:19:19 PM) darius_johnson: If you're married I honestly wouldn't do it
    (9:19:20 PM) lockefox: that's what I figured
    (9:19:24 PM) darius_johnson: It's for young people
    (9:19:36 PM) darius_johnson: There's a reason there's only like 1 American left at CCP
    (9:19:41 PM) darius_johnson: and very few foreignors
    (9:19:50 PM) ubastij: darius_johnson: were you in iceland or in the USA when you worked for CCP?
    (9:19:54 PM) darius_johnson: Iceland
    (9:20:02 PM) darius_johnson: and it was a terrible mistake
    (9:20:15 PM) darius_johnson: I mean there was a lot that was great about it
    (9:20:20 PM) Set's Chaos: I want to go to Iceland for Formula Offroad.
    (9:20:22 PM) ubastij: i've lived in "worst" countries so v0v
    (9:20:23 PM) darius_johnson: but nepotism is the culture


    aside, on the same topic, much later

    (9:43:56 PM) darius_johnson: CCP has an english only policy as well
    (9:44:05 PM) darius_johnson: it's just gone lax
    (9:44:09 PM) ubastij: i'm just saying sometimes people don't realize its offputting
    (9:44:16 PM) ubastij: oh well then
    (9:44:18 PM) darius_johnson: Mainly because there's so few non icelanders left
    (9:44:20 PM) ubastij: yeah that sounds odd
    (9:44:34 PM) darius_johnson: when I got there ops was 75+% foreign
    (9:44:46 PM) darius_johnson: when I left there was one Canadian and he left like a week later
    (9:45:19 PM) darius_johnson: hard to have a policy like that in those cases


    back to the main thread, later, about Soundwave leaving

    (9:26:11 PM) darius_johnson: he hasn't left yet
    (9:26:17 PM) darius_johnson: it takes 3 months to leave a job in iceland
    (9:26:27 PM) Angry Mustache: what the fuck do you do in the meanwhile?
    (9:26:31 PM) Set's Chaos: Some kind of law, or just tradition?
    (9:26:35 PM) mynnna: like, Andie sets the overall creative direction, but yeah Stoffer is lead designer or whatever.
    (9:26:36 PM) Angry Mustache: drink?
    (9:26:44 PM) darius_johnson: pretend to work while icelanders passive aggressively cockblock you until you just stop showing up


    couple of lines later, still about Soundwave leaving

    (9:27:06 PM) mynnna: i'unno, I'd like to hope that the "three months" thing means he continues to stick with things until winter is released.
    (9:27:22 PM) darius_johnson: CCP will not let that happen
    (9:27:41 PM) Angry Mustache: so he's marginalized between announcement and plane departing
    (9:27:49 PM) darius_johnson: I was
    (9:27:57 PM) darius_johnson: I have to presume it's teh same for everyone
    (9:28:43 PM) darius_johnson: they really don't take rejection well
    (9:28:48 PM) darius_johnson: and take every criticism personally


    a bit later

    (9:32:35 PM) lockefox: thank you for answering all the questions I had with your ranting
    (9:32:46 PM) darius_johnson: np
    (9:33:02 PM) darius_johnson: In retrospect I don't regret it honestly
    (9:33:03 PM) lockefox: it is actually helpful
    (9:33:10 PM) darius_johnson: but I think that has more to do with me than them

    END (mostly)

    There's a lot of text in the same section between Darius and mynnna talking about the FW exploit, but I'm still parsing that.
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    til sreegs has left ccp?
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    3 months to leave a job in Iceland? Id just leave as soon as I got my references. Maybe Hilmar has left, but for ceo's it takes them 3 years.

    Still typical CCP.

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    Nice find Jester, and thanks to Marlona for zero fucks given.

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