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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So a gun problem then, ok.

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    Access to guns for problematic people problem. Like mentally unstable, or drug users, minors, muslims etc, you name it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So a gun problem then, ok.

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    Access to guns for problematic people problem. Like Americans.
    ftfy

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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So a gun problem then, ok.

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    Access to guns for problematic people problem. Like mentally unstable, or drug users, minors, muslims etc, you name it.
    still a gun problem, something can be 2 things at once. like herpes can be both a lifestyle problem and a medical problem.

    mind blowing concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiodome View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    So a gun problem then, ok.

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    Access to guns for problematic people problem. Like mentally unstable, or drug users, minors, muslims etc, you name it.
    still a gun problem, something can be 2 things at once. like herpes can be both a lifestyle problem and a medical problem.

    mind blowing concept.
    WRONG. It's obviously a moral failing.

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    Cant drink on NYE, no problem - build an island on "international waters" and get your drunk on!

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42533927

    Cops response: BRING IN NAVAL CANONS! ERADICATE FROM ORBIT! KILL ALL! BE SURE!

    Lol, kidding - Cops and major calls it creative and wanting to join in. Reason, its New Zeland, not 'murica.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
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    Remember, America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a teachers lack sufficient skills to react to school shootings problem, okay?
    USA does not have a gun problem, it has a social and mental issue combined with easy access to guns for minors. Which is especially problematic for reject minors or adolescents. Because they are the school shooters, not people beyond 25 because at that point the last thing you worry about is schools.

    The fact that 3/4th of gun influcted deaths in the USA are suicides is a good giveaway.
    No, it has a gun problem. Specifically an access to high-capacity, high-powered guns problem.

    The right to firearms should not be an absolute right, should not start as an absolute right.

    It SHOULD be a right, make no mistake, but it should be a seriously regulated right, specifically to keep insane and potentially violent people from access whenever and wherever possible, from owning single or multiple high-power, high-capacity firearms.

    Sane, law abiding, properly trained and certified hunters, sportsmen and target shooters should have a right to a hunting rifle of any calibur, but it should be low capacity. Four, five shots is enough for any sane civilian use (and no, "fun" is not enough justification for more).

    Shotguns, the same.

    Sane, law-abiding collectors should be allowed to collect deactivated weapons of any kind, as long as certified deactivated by an expect who will be liable if it turns out not be. Seems fair.

    But handguns are a serious problem, used vastly more to commit crime and kill innocent people than to defend people from such attacks. I could live with low-capacity (6-shot) revolvers remaining legal, to sane, law-abiding citizens. But not 12+shot semi-auto or worse.

    And military-style/militarized rifles simply have to go, the fetishization of "civilian" M-16's and AK-47's is just creepy and dangerous. It can LOOK however it likes, it it complies with hunter rifles above (four, five shots max).

    These changes, combined with serious, draconian consequences for posession of illegal firearms (10 year minimum, no parole) and USE Of illegal firearms in a crime (mandatory 30 years) would go a great length to solving the U.S. gun/crime problems.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    Remember, America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a teachers lack sufficient skills to react to school shootings problem, okay?
    USA does not have a gun problem, it has a social and mental issue combined with easy access to guns for minors. Which is especially problematic for reject minors or adolescents. Because they are the school shooters, not people beyond 25 because at that point the last thing you worry about is schools.

    The fact that 3/4th of gun influcted deaths in the USA are suicides is a good giveaway.
    No, it has a gun problem. Specifically an access to high-capacity, high-powered guns problem.

    The right to firearms should not be an absolute right, should not start as an absolute right.

    It SHOULD be a right, make no mistake, but it should be a seriously regulated right, specifically to keep insane and potentially violent people from access whenever and wherever possible, from owning single or multiple high-power, high-capacity firearms.

    Sane, law abiding, properly trained and certified hunters, sportsmen and target shooters should have a right to a hunting rifle of any calibur, but it should be low capacity. Four, five shots is enough for any sane civilian use (and no, "fun" is not enough justification for more).

    Shotguns, the same.

    Sane, law-abiding collectors should be allowed to collect deactivated weapons of any kind, as long as certified deactivated by an expect who will be liable if it turns out not be. Seems fair.

    But handguns are a serious problem, used vastly more to commit crime and kill innocent people than to defend people from such attacks. I could live with low-capacity (6-shot) revolvers remaining legal, to sane, law-abiding citizens. But not 12+shot semi-auto or worse.

    And military-style/militarized rifles simply have to go, the fetishization of "civilian" M-16's and AK-47's is just creepy and dangerous. It can LOOK however it likes, it it complies with hunter rifles above (four, five shots max).

    These changes, combined with serious, draconian consequences for posession of illegal firearms (10 year minimum, no parole) and USE Of illegal firearms in a crime (mandatory 30 years) would go a great length to solving the U.S. gun/crime problems.
    INB4 ALISTAIR THE GUN NUT!!!!!111!!One!!!1

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    inb4 the usual cadre find something in that to nitpick and call alastair a nazi or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teds :D View Post
    inb4 the usual cadre find something in that to nitpick and call alastair a nazi or whatever.
    Oh don't fall for that "called me a nazi" bullshit please, you know better.

    And Alistair gets called out on his be when he's... Well, talking Bs. Not sure where the problem is in that.

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    >USA does not have a gun problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    >USA does not have a gun problem
    the USA has a USA problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    USA does not have a gun problem
    Canada has a problem with crimes committed by guns flooding in from the US.

    But I guess the US doesn't have a gun problem. That's just called being American. Bullets are like a weather phenomenon. Sometimes they whiz around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sparq View Post
    Remember, America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a teachers lack sufficient skills to react to school shootings problem, okay?
    USA does not have a gun problem, it has a social and mental issue combined with easy access to guns for minors. Which is especially problematic for reject minors or adolescents. Because they are the school shooters, not people beyond 25 because at that point the last thing you worry about is schools.

    The fact that 3/4th of gun influcted deaths in the USA are suicides is a good giveaway.
    No, it has a gun problem. Specifically an access to high-capacity, high-powered guns problem.

    The right to firearms should not be an absolute right, should not start as an absolute right.

    It SHOULD be a right, make no mistake, but it should be a seriously regulated right, specifically to keep insane and potentially violent people from access whenever and wherever possible, from owning single or multiple high-power, high-capacity firearms.

    Sane, law abiding, properly trained and certified hunters, sportsmen and target shooters should have a right to a hunting rifle of any calibur, but it should be low capacity. Four, five shots is enough for any sane civilian use (and no, "fun" is not enough justification for more).

    Shotguns, the same.

    Sane, law-abiding collectors should be allowed to collect deactivated weapons of any kind, as long as certified deactivated by an expect who will be liable if it turns out not be. Seems fair.

    But handguns are a serious problem, used vastly more to commit crime and kill innocent people than to defend people from such attacks. I could live with low-capacity (6-shot) revolvers remaining legal, to sane, law-abiding citizens. But not 12+shot semi-auto or worse.

    And military-style/militarized rifles simply have to go, the fetishization of "civilian" M-16's and AK-47's is just creepy and dangerous. It can LOOK however it likes, it it complies with hunter rifles above (four, five shots max).

    These changes, combined with serious, draconian consequences for posession of illegal firearms (10 year minimum, no parole) and USE Of illegal firearms in a crime (mandatory 30 years) would go a great length to solving the U.S. gun/crime problems.
    Okay. Let's start by disarming the cops. Cops don't get better weapons than the citizens they "protect" and "serve."

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    You know, Alistair's proposal is a bit harsher than German gun laws but not by too much.

    The main difference being magazine capacity and military style rifles. For sports shooters rifle magazines in competitions are limited to ten rounds, for hunters its two while hunting (magazines themselves aren't restricted items). Military style rifles are arbitrarily forbidden (if full auto versions exist and they fire ammo with less than 40mm case length - and only for sports shooters).

    So I'd not mock it but take it serious.

    Also I'd guess that not even in a self-defense situation you need more than ten rounds of anything.

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    This thread shows why gun legislation is so bizarre. People with no clue about usage of guns and ins and outs of whats actually problematic and what isnt have all kinds of opinions on it how it should be regulated.
    Its a bit like an unemployed homeless making grand claims about tax reform and how he has it all figured out.

    Si vis pacem, para bellum. Your kindergarten safe hipster life is enabled by good people with guns. But yeah, demonize guns because its not hippie world view correct to call a pig a pig. Or a moron a moron. Or a stoneage goatfucker a stoneage goatfucker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    This thread shows why gun legislation is so bizarre. People with no clue about usage of guns and ins and outs of whats actually problematic and what isnt have all kinds of opinions on it how it should be regulated.
    Its a bit like an unemployed homeless making grand claims about tax reform and how he has it all figured out.

    Si vis pacem, para bellum. Your kindergarten safe hipster life is enabled by good people with guns. But yeah, demonize guns because its not hippie world view correct to call a pig a pig. Or a moron a moron. Or a stoneage goatfucker a stoneage goatfucker.
    Autism in its purest form.

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    The ramblings of a madman.

    Bubba down the road with his assault rifle collection dosent keep anyone safe.

    Nor do the corrupt paramilitary cops who literally murdered 100x more americans in extrajudicial killings than terrorists last year.

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    Why the fascination with assault rifles? They aren't used in "normal" firearm crime.

    *EDIT*

    Also, Bubba doesn't have a collection of $1000 assault rifles. He has a cheap pistol.

    *EDIT 2*

    The police are a different problem. The fact that they are going outside department regulation (which dictates use of force) and not being nailed to the wall for manslaughter (which they are protected from if they remained within the use of force rules) is probably the biggest issue as I see it.
    Last edited by Stormus; January 3 2018 at 07:50:57 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metacannibal View Post
    This thread shows why gun legislation is so bizarre. People with no clue about usage of guns and ins and outs of whats actually problematic and what isnt have all kinds of opinions on it how it should be regulated.
    Its a bit like an unemployed homeless making grand claims about tax reform and how he has it all figured out.

    Si vis pacem, para bellum. Your kindergarten safe hipster life is enabled by good people with guns. But yeah, demonize guns because its not hippie world view correct to call a pig a pig. Or a moron a moron. Or a stoneage goatfucker a stoneage goatfucker.
    We can easily see when a moron is a moron and shouldn't be let anywhere close guns for his own safety.

    You are a prime example.

    Also in case you haven't realized "good people with guns" is pretty much the last reason anybody in the US is safe. In before "but the army!!!".

    Plus points, fucking rich coming from a guy from safe cozy central Europe.

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    Last edited by Isyel; January 3 2018 at 08:57:04 AM.

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