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    Indeed, I wonder if an American can enlighten me on scholarships in the US. I know there are sports scholarships for top universities, but are there also scholarships for academic achievement? Also, does your high school system offer scholarships based on academic achievement as well?
    My sister's grad school education was paid for due to her academic achievement. She graduated debt-free.
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    Indeed, I wonder if an American can enlighten me on scholarships in the US. I know there are sports scholarships for top universities, but are there also scholarships for academic achievement? Also, does your high school system offer scholarships based on academic achievement as well?
    My sister's grad school education was paid for due to her academic achievement. She graduated debt-free.
    Thanks, does it exist at earlier levels of education in the US though?

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    To further muddy the waters, some also consider your class to be what you were born into rather than what you achieve.

    It's very easy to have someone who is middle-class and poor using that definition, or working class and wealthy (sup).
    No one uses this definition in the US. There is no baggage about where and to whom you were born. This is a very U.K. thing, from my experience.
    I see you've never studied at an Ivy...
    No, I understand that well. That said, your birth doesn’t lock you in here. If you think it does, you really need to go see how bad it is elsewhere.

    I’ve met plenty poor people here who got into a good school because they applied themselves.
    Survivorship bias.

    Check your sampling methods.
    Stanford is free for families earning under $125000 per year. Most Ivy League colleges have similar programs. How do you think they can improve this?
    By improving the he quality of free education in the poorest areas.

    American public schools are largely funded by local taxes, deprived areas have underfunded schools. Massive amounts of potential is wasted.
    It gets even better:

    Underperforming schools get funding cuts.

    It's fucking retarded.

    Erich: underfunded schools due to low taxes due to poverty can't give the students the help they need to offset what families can't provide at home.
    You know things like breakfast (increases grades significantly due to better concentration across the school day), help with homework, creating a welcoming environment (a home too small does create stress in kids due to shared bedrooms for example).
    It's stupidly easy for schools to alleviate these three things by offering school breakfast, dedicated homework help by tutors (local uni students etc), having a building that doesn't fall apart.

    My school only manages one of these and not for everyone (though pretty close to), and that is the tutoring.

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    Yeah, well until people in this country wake up and put the blame for this, where it is due, or, the Republican Party, and all the people that vote for it, i.e. those with Selfish Asshole Disorder (SAD) then I don’t know what to tell you. People have tried to help them but they all got angry that a nigger was in charge.

    Personally, i think what the Ivy League schools are doing is a good step. They know they need more economic diversity, but half the country hates black people.
    >Only black people can be poor.

    Offering kids from low income familes is laudible but if you're intervening at college age to improve the outcomes of 'at risk' individuals (disfunctional families, low aspirations, note neither of these things go hand in hand with low incomes but often do) you're probably too late TBH.
    Indeed, I wonder if an American can enlighten me on scholarships in the US. I know there are sports scholarships for top universities, but are there also scholarships for academic achievement? Also, does your high school system offer scholarships based on academic achievement as well?
    I have no actual about high school, but yes, there are a tonne if scholarships available. Itís also worth pointing out that most state schools (university of California, for example, which is a really good school system) seem really reasonable to me. Certainly easier that getting to Uni in non socialist hell holes like South Africa.

    You can even get scholarships for esports now...

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    I ask because we've got a bit of a debate here around Oxbridge and other Russell Group universities and their fairly low intake of black students, but also poorer students generally. It has been widely characterised as being a symptom of institutional racism, but really it's our useless schools which no longer select students on academic ability in most parts of the country. Before selective education was curtailed we had ever growing numbers of students from poor backgrounds attending top universities but that has fallen back massively.

    Just thinking really that if people want more disadvantaged pupils at top universities, they need to make better schooling available to those who can most benefit from it, whether through state academic selection by ability or via extensive ability-based scholarships available at various points in education starting around the early teenage years.

    Not so sure that sports-based scholarships are the way tho.

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    Apart from the boat race there's little interest/money in university sports in the UK so can't see sports scholarships becoming a thing (not sure if I agree with them either tbh).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Apart from the boat race there's little interest/money in university sports in the UK so can't see sports scholarships becoming a thing (not sure if I agree with them either tbh).
    Iím ok with them as long as academic standards are maintained. For example, at Stanford (I know I keep using it, but my American mom worked there so i know it), they basically have to maintain a B or they get booted from the sports program. At less scrupulous schools, this is ignored, because college sports in the US are big business.

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    To further muddy the waters, some also consider your class to be what you were born into rather than what you achieve.

    It's very easy to have someone who is middle-class and poor using that definition, or working class and wealthy (sup).
    No one uses this definition in the US. There is no baggage about where and to whom you were born. This is a very U.K. thing, from my experience.
    I see you've never studied at an Ivy...
    No, I understand that well. That said, your birth doesn’t lock you in here. If you think it does, you really need to go see how bad it is elsewhere.

    I’ve met plenty poor people here who got into a good school because they applied themselves.
    Yeah, I know, I'm one of them. Berkeley and Harvard both paid me to attend.

    Doesn't mean there isn't social class in America. It's part of why I'm glad I went to a public law school, rather than a private one. Even in my school, we still had a whole gaggle of people who were there on daddy's money, classmates whose parents had bought them multi-million dollar houses to live in while they studied, etc. etc. etc.
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    To further muddy the waters, some also consider your class to be what you were born into rather than what you achieve.

    It's very easy to have someone who is middle-class and poor using that definition, or working class and wealthy (sup).
    No one uses this definition in the US. There is no baggage about where and to whom you were born. This is a very U.K. thing, from my experience.
    I see you've never studied at an Ivy...
    No, I understand that well. That said, your birth doesnít lock you in here. If you think it does, you really need to go see how bad it is elsewhere.

    Iíve met plenty poor people here who got into a good school because they applied themselves.
    Yeah, I know, I'm one of them. Berkeley and Harvard both paid me to attend.

    Doesn't mean there isn't social class in America.
    Of course there is social class. You should have seen how quickly the consulate gave me my green card when my American mom wrote them a letter they needed on Stanford letterhead.

    That said, my point is that you have way more mobility here that many, many other places. If that seems sad, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
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    Indeed, I wonder if an American can enlighten me on scholarships in the US. I know there are sports scholarships for top universities, but are there also scholarships for academic achievement? Also, does your high school system offer scholarships based on academic achievement as well?
    My sister's grad school education was paid for due to her academic achievement. She graduated debt-free.
    Thanks, does it exist at earlier levels of education in the US though?
    Yes, some people I graduated with from high-school got a full-ride scholarship to colleges and universities.
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    What about private secondary education (middle/high school I guess) Do they offer scholarships as a matter of course?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
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    Indeed, I wonder if an American can enlighten me on scholarships in the US. I know there are sports scholarships for top universities, but are there also scholarships for academic achievement? Also, does your high school system offer scholarships based on academic achievement as well?
    My sister's grad school education was paid for due to her academic achievement. She graduated debt-free.
    Thanks, does it exist at earlier levels of education in the US though?
    Yes, some people I graduated with from high-school got a full-ride scholarship to colleges and universities.
    There are significantly more academic related scholarships than sports scholarships. A highschool won't offer one due to how public schools are funded, private schools might. There are state and maybe federal funded scholarships but those can be unreliable. Most scholarships are from private/public organizations or the college itself, academic scholarships usually require a student to school good instead of sportsball good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    What about private secondary education (middle/high school I guess) Do they offer scholarships as a matter of course?
    Scholarship for what? They are 4-7 years away from college and nothing they have done applies to college placement.

    edit: missed highschool...

    "It depends" is your unsatisfactory answer. As they are private what they offer depends on what they wish to offer. There is nothing saying they can't but nothing saying they must.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenta View Post
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    What about private secondary education (middle/high school I guess) Do they offer scholarships as a matter of course?
    Scholarship for what? They are 4-7 years away from college and nothing they have done applies to college placement.

    edit: missed highschool...

    "It depends" is your unsatisfactory answer. As they are private what they offer depends on what they wish to offer. There is nothing saying they can't but nothing saying they must.
    So Colleges (of any flavo[u]r) 'must' offer scholarships?


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Contemporary Poster View Post
    I ask because we've got a bit of a debate here around Oxbridge and other Russell Group universities and their fairly low intake of black students, but also poorer students generally. It has been widely characterised as being a symptom of institutional racism, but really it's our useless schools which no longer select students on academic ability in most parts of the country. Before selective education was curtailed we had ever growing numbers of students from poor backgrounds attending top universities but that has fallen back massively.

    Just thinking really that if people want more disadvantaged pupils at top universities, they need to make better schooling available to those who can most benefit from it, whether through state academic selection by ability or via extensive ability-based scholarships available at various points in education starting around the early teenage years.

    Not so sure that sports-based scholarships are the way tho.
    That debate is a tough one.

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    To further muddy the waters, some also consider your class to be what you were born into rather than what you achieve.

    It's very easy to have someone who is middle-class and poor using that definition, or working class and wealthy (sup).
    No one uses this definition in the US. There is no baggage about where and to whom you were born. This is a very U.K. thing, from my experience.
    I see you've never studied at an Ivy...
    No, I understand that well. That said, your birth doesnít lock you in here. If you think it does, you really need to go see how bad it is elsewhere.

    Iíve met plenty poor people here who got into a good school because they applied themselves.
    Yeah, I know, I'm one of them. Berkeley and Harvard both paid me to attend.

    Doesn't mean there isn't social class in America.
    Of course there is social class. You should have seen how quickly the consulate gave me my green card when my American mom wrote them a letter they needed on Stanford letterhead.

    That said, my point is that you have way more mobility here that many, many other places. If that seems sad, it is.
    Of by many other places you mean the UK and the third world.

    You're not convincing me for a second thst system is better than Europe's mostly free or cheap schools for social mobility through education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
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    What about private secondary education (middle/high school I guess) Do they offer scholarships as a matter of course?
    Scholarship for what? They are 4-7 years away from college and nothing they have done applies to college placement.

    edit: missed highschool...

    "It depends" is your unsatisfactory answer. As they are private what they offer depends on what they wish to offer. There is nothing saying they can't but nothing saying they must.
    So Colleges (of any flavo[u]r) 'must' offer scholarships?
    What? No, but they do offer scholarships. You're thinking of this all wrong anyways. Eliminate your tendency to look towards the government/authority for receiving things. Most school scholarship funds are funded through alumi contributions specifically given for scholarships anyways. This is freedomland think private non-governmental sources.

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    To further muddy the waters, some also consider your class to be what you were born into rather than what you achieve.

    It's very easy to have someone who is middle-class and poor using that definition, or working class and wealthy (sup).
    No one uses this definition in the US. There is no baggage about where and to whom you were born. This is a very U.K. thing, from my experience.
    I see you've never studied at an Ivy...
    No, I understand that well. That said, your birth doesnít lock you in here. If you think it does, you really need to go see how bad it is elsewhere.

    Iíve met plenty poor people here who got into a good school because they applied themselves.
    Yeah, I know, I'm one of them. Berkeley and Harvard both paid me to attend.

    Doesn't mean there isn't social class in America.
    Of course there is social class. You should have seen how quickly the consulate gave me my green card when my American mom wrote them a letter they needed on Stanford letterhead.

    That said, my point is that you have way more mobility here that many, many other places. If that seems sad, it is.
    Of by many other places you mean the UK and the third world.

    You're not convincing me for a second thst system is better than Europe's mostly free or cheap schools for social mobility through education.

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    While you are technically correct, most euros seemed to be very content not to move classes.

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    We'd hardly call that settled science, but I mostly agree with the final, perhaps uncomfortable assertion that it really does depend on the state you come from in the US. You have much more chance in a blue state, is the point, but we can't fix that until there is some kind of realization from voters that the man s literally keeping them down. Also, iyt's a much better comparison to compare the EU as a whole to the US as a whole. Ans countries like Germany to states like California.
    meh

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