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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorvil Barranis View Post

    Trying to explain away economic inequality using demographics is either racist or an acknowledgement of structural violence.
    I think that since Nixon was revealed to form US drug policy with the goal of targeting minorities and political opponents, coupled with the for profit private prison system, economic immobility, and availability of firearms, you can make a case for the biggest problem being structural violence.




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    Was Alastair just making the argument 'The Swiss are different to Americans' in a discussion where the reason the Swiss were mentioned was to point out that they were different to Americans? Ie wasn't he just agreeing with and expanding on Xenos point?

    Yeah, Demographics matter. But probably not as much as Alastair thinks nor in the way he thinks. Analysis generally shows that there are greater similarities between racial groups within the same age and economic position than differences. And we're not (yet) seeing racial motivations as a significant proportion of American gun violence (it's largely in group violence). However, an important demographic distinction between the Swiss and Americans is the age: street gun violence is disproportionately a young male activity. You can and should control for the relative age and maleness of the population in a good comparison on street gun violence (all gun violence is less biased to young males, but probably tends somewhat that way due to the contribution of suicide).

    Honestly though, this whole area could do with better research... Oh yeah...
    Last edited by Kai; January 8 2018 at 09:19:31 PM.

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    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    >Implying you ever provide counter arguments and criticism to address.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    >Implying you ever provide counter arguments and criticism to address.
    Something something pot, something something kettle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    >Implying you ever provide counter arguments and criticism to address.
    Hurr. Go be edgy racist about it somewhere.

    And no it literally is all criticism of the catastrophic failure in rational thinking that Alistairs posting career is. As for putting out actual arguments with research? Fuck that he's never responded to those properly In good faith without cherry picking and his victim complex.

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    I can,t argue with this...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    I can,t argue with this...

    Native Americans would disagree.

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    Isn't it usually men with guns who make America unsafe?
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    You never hear about women going on shooting sprees, I... wonder... why?

    Japan actually has murderwaifus, another example of nippon supremacy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    You never hear about women going on shooting sprees, I... wonder... why?

    Japan actually has murderwaifus, another example of nippon supremacy
    NANI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Approaching Walrus View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by XenosisMk4 View Post
    You never hear about women going on shooting sprees, I... wonder... why?

    Japan actually has murderwaifus, another example of nippon supremacy
    NANI?


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasebo_slashing

    because obviously 2chan would waifu a 11 year old girl who slit her classmates throat with a boxcutter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kai View Post
    Was Alastair just making the argument 'The Swiss are different to Americans' in a discussion where the reason the Swiss were mentioned was to point out that they were different to Americans? Ie wasn't he just agreeing with and expanding on Xenos point?
    I was making a point that there are many differences between the U.S. and Switzerland other than average income and social welfare policy.

    Yeah, Demographics matter. But probably not as much as Alastair thinks nor in the way he thinks. Analysis generally shows that there are greater similarities between racial groups within the same age and economic position than differences.
    I don't doubt that.

    But there are two specific issues to the U.S. to reference. One is systemic longstanding racial discrimination that has kept a goodly portion of 12% of our population in lower economic brackets. The other is the number of immigrants the U.S. takes in, a material % of which are coming from nothing and bringing nothing with them, economically.

    And we're not (yet) seeing racial motivations as a significant proportion of American gun violence (it's largely in group violence).
    Not as a motive per se, but you do see race involved in gun crime as a result of systemic racism and economic lack of opportunity/lack of education in who the victims of gun crime (not mass shooting, just everyday crime) are.

    However, an important demographic distinction between the Swiss and Americans is the age: street gun violence is disproportionately a young male activity. You can and should control for the relative age and maleness of the population in a good comparison on street gun violence (all gun violence is less biased to young males, but probably tends somewhat that way due to the contribution of suicide).
    A good point, aye.

    Honestly though, this whole area could do with better research... Oh yeah...
    Agreed. The ban on CDC research into gun violence is a very foolish and counterproductive thing IMO.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    You're a content free troll who by his own admission takes nothing seriously and is posting just to get a rise out of people.

    You frankly don't warrant reply beyond the rep you got. You've certainly raised no arguments here, elsewhere, or ever, that would mandate a thoughtful reply.

    Now how about you have a nice cup of shut the fuck up, and let the adults talk.


    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Sometimes you have to be a bit of a cunt and just fucking look after yourself.

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    I hate to break it to you Alistair but people under 50 are adults

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    With trepidation i opened this thread hoping to not see another massacre of innocents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    You're a content free troll who by his own admission takes nothing seriously and is posting just to get a rise out of people.

    You frankly don't warrant reply beyond the rep you got. You've certainly raised no arguments here, elsewhere, or ever, that would mandate a thoughtful reply.

    Now how about you have a nice cup of shut the fuck up, and let the adults talk.
    And that's worse than thinking really hard and posting "thoughtful content" that is so off the mark and stupid nobody takes you seriously on the forum anymore, how?

    And no, I did in the past, plenty of times. You just didn't like that somebody disagreed with you and decided to cry instead and claim there was nothing to it in specific cherry picked quotes, as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Alistair View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    Alistair being splendidly butthurt in reps as usual. How about you actually address any of the counterarguments and criticism to your half baked arguments instead of crying you shitter?
    You're a content free troll who by his own admission takes nothing seriously and is posting just to get a rise out of people.

    You frankly don't warrant reply beyond the rep you got. You've certainly raised no arguments here, elsewhere, or ever, that would mandate a thoughtful reply.

    Now how about you have a nice cup of shut the fuck up, and let the adults talk.
    And that's worse than thinking really hard and posting "thoughtful content" that is so off the mark and stupid nobody takes you seriously on the forum anymore, how?

    And no, I did in the past, plenty of times. You just didn't like that somebody disagreed with you and decided to cry instead and claim there was nothing to it in specific cherry picked quotes, as usual.

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    Cool story bro.


    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Sometimes you have to be a bit of a cunt and just fucking look after yourself.

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