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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?
    dont want to get knifed or smth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    The source is a tabloid, but the story is real.

    The discussion wasn't so much about the crime itself, but about surrounding events. The boy was said to be 13, which is below the age of being accountable for one's actions in Germany. You can't be sentenced under 14, but you can be forced to get psychological care etc. Any crime done by under 14 year olds are filed and may influence sentencing once a kid turns 14 and gets into trouble.
    This is all pretty straight forward when you know the age of the kid in question. Here however the refugee administration questioned the age and sent him to a doctor to have the age assessed. One of the best methods apparently is to xray the hand and check the growth of the bones in one's hand. However a lot of doctors refuse to do such a procedure due to privacy concerns.

    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?

    We may get a law change giving the refugee administration a legal way without having to wait for a court order.
    The procedure is what has been used here as well. The controversy is because the method is by academia considered to not be proven to be based on science but rather brings back methods from the days of the "biological institute of race".

    You of all people should be able to appreciate why that is sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?
    The procedure is what has been used here as well. The controversy is because the method is by academia considered to not be proven to be based on science.....".
    Pretty much this part. Proper doctors are sticklers for the scientific method, if they're not they're usually called quacks.

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    They should just have cut him in half and count the rings.

    ISIS swears by this method I've heard ...
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    ...i have no idea whats realy going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?
    The procedure is what has been used here as well. The controversy is because the method is by academia considered to not be proven to be based on science.....".
    Pretty much this part. Proper doctors are sticklers for the scientific method, if they're not they're usually called quacks.
    Yeah, I get this part. There have been even dumber things suggested. I hadn't looked at this procedure really so didn't know it wasn't any better.

    And yeah, it has some horrendous precedence in this country.

    Yet the argument mentioned I saw in an article on Die Welt mentioned the invasion of privacy, which in comparison is a very weak argument.

    Tapapapatalk
    nevar forget

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    Why would a machine muslim lie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?
    The procedure is what has been used here as well. The controversy is because the method is by academia considered to not be proven to be based on science.....".
    Pretty much this part. Proper doctors are sticklers for the scientific method, if they're not they're usually called quacks.
    Yeah, I get this part. There have been even dumber things suggested. I hadn't looked at this procedure really so didn't know it wasn't any better.

    And yeah, it has some horrendous precedence in this country.

    Yet the argument mentioned I saw in an article on Die Welt mentioned the invasion of privacy, which in comparison is a very weak argument.

    Tapapapatalk
    presenting the weakest, rather than the strongest argument on something is a fairly well understood way of shaping public bias m8.
    Viking, n.:
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    2. Bloodthirsty sea pirates who ravaged northern Europe beginning in the 9th century.

    Hagar's note: The first definition is much preferred; the second is used only by malcontents, the envious, and disgruntled owners of waterfront property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    I'm shocked


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    Quote Originally Posted by Liare View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan Dax View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Caldrion Dosto View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    To which I have to add: WTF is wrong with the doctors?
    The procedure is what has been used here as well. The controversy is because the method is by academia considered to not be proven to be based on science.....".
    Pretty much this part. Proper doctors are sticklers for the scientific method, if they're not they're usually called quacks.
    Yeah, I get this part. There have been even dumber things suggested. I hadn't looked at this procedure really so didn't know it wasn't any better.

    And yeah, it has some horrendous precedence in this country.

    Yet the argument mentioned I saw in an article on Die Welt mentioned the invasion of privacy, which in comparison is a very weak argument.

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    presenting the weakest, rather than the strongest argument on something is a fairly well understood way of shaping public bias m8.
    I would agree but for a long time the argument was that it's all bogus science. That discussion was already somewhat resolved towards it's useless what we have, so we have to look for other means of determining age. Also that was far easier to sell than the invasion of their privacy.
    nevar forget

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    The most voices against medical age determination was simply pro-immigrant/refugee propaganda up here, claiming it wasnt "scientific" or being good enough etc.
    Turned out it works just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    The most voices against medical age determination was simply pro-immigrant/refugee propaganda up here, claiming it wasnt "scientific" or being good enough etc.
    Turned out it works just fine.
    Not an expert but in Holland we do the hand and collarbone when age is in question.
    Schopenhauer:

    All truth passes through three stages.
    First, it is ridiculed.
    Second, it is violently opposed.
    Third, it is accepted as being self-evident..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacul View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    The most voices against medical age determination was simply pro-immigrant/refugee propaganda up here, claiming it wasnt "scientific" or being good enough etc.
    Turned out it works just fine.
    Not an expert but in Holland we do the hand and collarbone when age is in question.
    You have weird consent laws.
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    meanwhile in the actual jihadist thunderdome



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    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    meanwhile in the actual jihadist thunderdome

    Wow... Is that Team Assad Army? If yes they look a lot more like the "rebels" they are fighting these days. And like one lost fight from being all over.
    If Kurds, well thats just how they roll and its all good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarminic View Post
    I would create a dragon made out of vaginas. Then I would create a dragon made out of dicks. Then I would have them fight to the death.

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    who's been mowing that grass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RazoR View Post
    meanwhile in the actual jihadist thunderdome

    Wow... Is that Team Assad Army? If yes they look a lot more like the "rebels" they are fighting these days. And like one lost fight from being all over.
    If Kurds, well thats just how they roll and its all good.
    What if their unoforms look bad becuase of 6 years of war?


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    >uniforms
    that's combat outfit at best

    the big thing here is that there is some semblance of order and tactic

    if you think this is bad you should have seen them 5 years ago
    or isis

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    glorious actual HE-FRAG scenes

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