[PVP] Cyclone

[Daneel Trevize]

[Cyclone, ASB + LSE]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor I

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

The below is ~10k less EHP, ~25 more dps, really it's if you want the slight speed & agility from the nano. Can swap Gyro and Nano for 2 TEs if you'd rather have range/tracking (then TE back for nano if you want long point?):
[Cyclone, ASB + LSE rerig, nano]

Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

Also both styles can swap a gun for a medium neut. Possibly you'll need to downgrade another gun from 425 to 220 but no more than that, no implants needed (Abuse Crystals!!!).

[Death ToU]

Someone derped on a full LG crystal set on contract got full set for 56mil =) dunno wether to plug them in thou or just sell them..

[Daneel Trevize]

Sell full LG set, buy (me) a ganglink Tengu, thus have better bonuses, a great scout & prober, less of a lossmail and worry about bubbles/instalockers, etc

[OrangeAfroMan]

Hm. Enough buffer IMO w/ Invuln and DCU. Here's what I'm deciding between:

[Cyclone, Cyclone - LASB + Web]

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2


[Cyclone, Cyclone - LASB + SBA]

Damage Control II
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Shield Boost Amplifier II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2


DPS is the same (608 | 682 w/ RF EMP and CN HAMs), tank is

375 | 406 hp/s + Web
vs
516 | 565

Those numbers are just heating the Invuln. Obviously the web version is faster/more manoeuvrable with the Nano instead of Co-Pro

Thots?

[Daneel Trevize]

Without looking closely, I'd say for any ASB fit, rather than SBA why not just have the EHP now with an LSE as per first fit on this page?
The web I can understand being useful, the trading buffer for ASB's rep I don't, as you seem to have the same weapons & DPS, thus no benefit from fittings. Tank slightly more and then still DIAF when it reloads? You only get those 13 reps, how much EHP does it give extra vs an LSE, and is there any advantage to hiding that EHP in the ASB?

[Sponk]

I CBF to do the numbers but an SBA on a LASB probably only reps maybe 75% of an LSE.

On the other hand it does it without sig boost.

On the other other hand, it costs a lot of cpu.

[Evolyze]

Havn't tried it but what about dual LASB?

[Cyclone, New Setup 1]
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 150
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Valkyrie II x3
Warrior II x2

you can fit 425's if you drop the dcu to named. you could probably get it to fit with out two cpu mods with a cpu implant.

gives a 754 tank with both running before links and crystals and boosters 583 dps, 394 with one running.


no cpu mods lse + lasb

[Cyclone, New Setup 1 copy 3 copy 1]
F-aQ Phase Code Tracking Subroutines
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
'Malkuth' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Inferno Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

you can juggle the dcu and lse to named to fit t2 hams gives an extra 20 dps or so but drops the ehp 2k or so maybe not tried at all but going to buy a few cyclones and try some fits.

[LordsServant]

[Cyclone, xl]
Internal Force Field Array I
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Hail M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x3

Vanilla - 1527 dps tank pre-heat.

Tengu Bonuses - 3423 dps pre-heat

+LG crystals - 4565 dps tank pre-heat.

Single booster (regular actual tank unless ur deaggroing/fighting for ur life) w/crystals + tengu - 2305 pre-heat.

"OMGAWD GUNNA DAI" Tank - 6358 (4610 vs weakest resist - EM). (this doesn't include blue pill)

489 rockin dps overloaded. =D

Tested in glorious space battle by entrox himself (being bad an engaging without bonuses in system and DIAF to a blob despite me telling him so beforehand), and by myself:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13638762

Is very sexy fit, and tanks like no other(except my naga, but naga's totally awesome lack of buffer is freakin scary, also, no prop mod :S)

[Evolyze]

I don't think blue pill works with these boosters


[Cyclone, x-large copy 1]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Valkyrie II x3
Warrior II x2


1655 dps tank with ghetto crystalls
600 dps overloaded
and a web + med neut

[EntroX]

I don't think blue pill works with these boosters


[Cyclone, x-large copy 1]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
50W Infectious Power System Malfunction
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket
'Malkuth' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Valkyrie II x3
Warrior II x2


1655 dps tank with ghetto crystalls
600 dps overloaded
and a web + med neut

it does

[Daneel Trevize]

[Cyclone, xl]

http://exo.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13643673
Assuming HG Crystals but no Tengu, Total Damage Taken: 205,071 before out of cap charges.
This mod is looking a bit OP, but also just a single one is a fucking liability with that 60 second reload.
Also, GIEF ARMOUR VERSION!!!

[Rudolf Miller]

[Cyclone, xl]

http://exo.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13643673
Assuming HG Crystals but no Tengu, Total Damage Taken: 205,071 before out of cap charges.
This mod is looking a bit OP, but also just a single one is a fucking liability with that 60 second reload.
Also, GIEF ARMOUR VERSION!!!

[Daneel Trevize]

Logan, you reading this?

He removed the KB comment that this was unscouted and without links.

[Varcaus]

Sheild link is the only usefull one for asb so wouldnt have changed the tank all that much.

[Daneel Trevize]

Well also mindlink to give more buffer & peak recharge. And you can burn some cap for reps to buy time before reloading starts.
Remember, those guys couldn't just neut this tank off. Only alpha or dps would break it.

[Logan]

Damn you for making me unlurk daneel. I was working hard on being invisible...

So yea, that cyclone was unlinked and lg-omega, no blue pill. The tank with tengu however goes up from 1700 per booster to 2600 with only resist-link running so I think it will make quite a difference, and thatīs not counting blue pill. Extremely fun ship to fly though, watching your shields bounce from zero to 75-ish % with every boost

edit: Forgot to mention, everyone who thinks about fitting an invul on a ship like that, donīt. The neuting from the canes prevented me from even keeping my dcu running...

[Daneel Trevize]

Not even a HG Omega. No drugs.
It's not fair.

[LordsServant]

Not even a HG Omega. No drugs.
It's not fair.

Like I said - CCP was smoking some serious shit when they introduced these. Also, prop modless is imo pretty retarded on a cyclone. I like my prop mods, anything without props mods just screams "I am rofltanked," unless your shiptype screams "I cannot possibly be rofltanked" (like my naga, for instance). =-D

[OrangeAfroMan]

This is what I'm going to try out... I like the DPS from the launchers:

[Cyclone, Cyclone - XLASB LSE]

Internal Force Field Array I
Co-Processor II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Assault Missile

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

569 | 637 w/ RF EMP & CN HAMs
39.9k EHP
865 | 1120 DPS tanked (second number is booster heated only)

Sexyness.

[xanral]

Re: dual X-L Cyclones

Keep in mind that the "stable" tank is 87% of that listed on a single booster (assuming navy charges). If you look at something like:

[Cyclone, Dual X-L ASB v3]
Gyrostabilizer II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Internal Force Field Array I

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I /OFFLINE

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Hammerhead II x3
Hobgoblin II x2

818 tank with single repper (but 708 stable)
443 dps (its out of PG which is why it just has a core probe launcher in that high slot)

Assuming you take crystals out of the equation that cyclone vs a triple rep myrm you get much closer tank numbers. The myrm should have more dps and superior tackle than the cyclone. The myrm will cap out faster in a super heavy neut environment but can actually rep without charges more easily and has more eHP. If it has warning the cyclone can double its tank for a very short time period which unless it is to deagress or just for a cycle or two will probably just delay its death by a minute.

I believe that the numbers of a HG Crystal and Tengu boosted (resistance link only) Cyclone of this type come to 1897 tank per booster (1644 stable) vs what I think is the standard triple rep T2 fit myrm with Legion booster and hardwires at 1609.

In boosted/non-boosted cases the myrm can feasibly pimp its reppers (and both could pimp their boost amp/resistance mods/rigs), something that the cyclone cannot do due to the lack of meta options for the shield boosters. Just making the rigs T2 for both puts the myrm at parity with the cyclone. At fully pimp fittings I believe the myrm will outdistance the cyclone posted above by a heavy margin.