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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    So I hate my job and I want to develop my IT skills so I can find something that pays better. I am almost entirely self-taught, but I don't have any certifications. From what I've heard over the years, a CompTIA A+ cert is useless, while MCSE and CCNA are useful. Would those two be a good place to start?
    I'm biased AF but my advice would be to stay away from Windows IT if you can help it. Chances are you end up at a place like Liare or Lana that will you give an ulcer and hate life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nordstern View Post
    My goals (for now) are to learn about setting up a server, what a NAS is and why it's preferred in some situations, learn about virtualization (VMware specifically), how to administer a network, and how to VPN (I have some instructions from work on how to do this, I just have to read it).
    Being self-taught myself this would be my recommendation for Linux:

    1. do a Linux From Scratch install once, nothing you want to maintain but the lessons learned are invaluable
    2. use Gentoo to setup a home router, mostly because Gentoo's documentation/guides are usually way more in-depth then for example Ubuntu's copy and paste stuff, also excellent support via irc
    3. get familiar with containerization and Docker, container all the things on your router. Clustering a couple of RPi's is also a good home exercise, look into Kubernetes and CoreOS/RancherOS at this point

    Should make you comfortable on any Linux distro and give you the basics like iptables, etc. Then start looking for certs that may give you an entry into something you enjoy doing.
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    Code:
    systemctl stop iptables
    systemctl disable iptables
    the sum total of everything you need to know about iptables

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Code:
    systemctl stop iptables
    systemctl disable iptables
    the sum total of everything you need to know about iptables
    That just wipes some default iptables rules. What do you suppose firewalld or any other linux firewall uses under the hood? Understanding iptables packet flow will remain useful knowledge.
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    see also:

    Code:
    systemctl stop firewalld
    systemctl disable firewalld
    system-level firewalls are the devil's work. they cause way more problems than they prevent. the only time you should be mucking about with that kind of thing at the machine level is if your networking is occurring dynamically within the machine level, e.g. kubernetes pods using iptables to route between themselves
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    lol, ok. So your argument is don't bother with the basics and dive right into the higher abstractions? Because it makes troubleshooting so much easier when you lack the understanding of the underlying systems?
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    A+ and N+ are enough to show a basic understanding and get your foot in the door for a basic IT job, once you have some experience look a then at where you want to branch into.

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    also don't listen to people saying focus on linux. You will never get on the ladder if you start off in the sector with linux, hotshots in data centres will tell you linux is everywhere but if you see yourself at some point in your career supporting an SMB then you need windows. Windows server is everywhere, IIS is everywhere, sure apache is too but you'll have more leverage at first and get to a decent salary and working environment quicker if you get good windows experience. Once you have that down I would then look into linux specialisations if you see fit.

    I don't like the idea of relying on one vendor for a career but I'm focusing on microsoft certification with a few basic linux certs to back it up (See my post a few pages back on what my current cert study plan is)

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    fwiw i wouldnt touch windows admin work with a fucking bargepole. underpaid, captive, tool-driven drudgery. unless you've got no choice but to work for shit-tier SMBs (don't work for SMBs, ever) you'll do a lot better in every respect sticking to linux land

    Quote Originally Posted by Irrelephant View Post
    lol, ok. So your argument is don't bother with the basics and dive right into the higher abstractions? Because it makes troubleshooting so much easier when you lack the understanding of the underlying systems?
    my argument is entirely unrelated to the thread at hand and is mostly just saying that node-level firewalls exist as a rock that keeps away tigers, solely implemented to tick a box on a compliance report and should be turned off and kept off wherever legislation allows. i wouldn't consider either firewalld or iptables part of "the basics" because they're both such trivially simple tools that if you understand the real basics (i.e. linux admin, networking fundamentals) you'll have a full working competence in both within about ten minutes of reading their docs.
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    Mate can you name one person that started working in IT ops and didn't work for an MSP or SMB? Because I can't

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    Literally hundreds. Just don't work for SMBs.

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    mate you make that sound super easy, when I was applying for work after arriving in Canada there was 20/1 MSP+SMB/Infrastructure postings and practically nothing for larger organisations. Go look for work now in what you think would be a good starting field for a linux specific junior operations role and see how far you can get

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmicker View Post
    Literally hundreds. Just don't work for SMBs.
    ... compared to the millions that did. This seems like excluding yourself from a big piece of the available jobs.

    Also: even small SMBs these days do often have a few (virtualized) Linux boxes around. Which is an easy way to become more experienced with it.

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    As a non IT person who toys with IT stuff as a passion, I'd say take a look at your computer. Does it have at least 16GB RAM and at least a quad core Intel CPU? Proceed to installing the virtualisation software of your choice.

    Then get ISOs for what you'd like to dwell on, I'd go with Irrelephant's suggestions there, seems legit af. Also have a look on Udemy and see what courses are available after getting comfy with what you have. Go from there.

    Also bear in mind that no matter what you do, as long as you do it as a job, it has the danger of losing its appeal. For me it happened with IT and photography, as soon as you start being pummeled into "producing" there is a non zero chance you'll soon hate it.

    I think that's the main drawback. With the resources available online nowadays you can literally study a lot and learn a lot, yes, you'll need to pay the exams which grant you the certs, but the biggest issue is getting comfy with doing something as a job, i.e. do the sameish stuff every day for years.

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    Also bear in mind that no matter what you do, as long as you do it as a job, it has the danger of losing its appeal. For me it happened with IT and photography, as soon as you start being pummeled into "producing" there is a non zero chance you'll soon hate it.
    So much this. After ~10 years in IT I can't do much related to it at home, I've got a few RPis that I'd love to use but no motivation. It's been better recently for me as I've been working on some open source powershell projects but even that I can't spend more than a night or two a week on.

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    tbh I struggle finding the time and effort to work on any home labs. I have people recommending getting up early to study before work instead of after. The thought of that terrifies me though

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