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    W0lf Crendraven's Avatar
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    Isnt the garmur then just a worse keres?
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    Quote Originally Posted by W0lf Crendraven View Post
    Isnt the garmur then just a worse keres?
    A FASTER worse keres.

    All about that speed brah.

    CCP should troll everyone and give the caldari d3 a bonus to ecm, and gallente d3 bonus to point range.

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    So first up, i suck with this ship, ive tried it a fair few times and always done terrible with it, i dont think its very strong but ive come to a few fits i like:

    (lowsec only, probably works elsewhere but its at home in the small meta)

    [Garmur, New Setup 2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Warp Disruptor II
    5MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile

    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
    Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

    The best fit imo, its fast as fuck for the simple reason that all lml ships that cant land at zero and get out are not viable for roaming, land at zero, doubleclick in space and actviate heated mwd, then lock and point. Gets easier the lameer you fly (so with snakes/links its a monster). Dps isnt great.

    [Garmur, theory]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    1MN Afterburner II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Warp Disruptor II

    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile

    Small Ancillary Current Router I
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    Small Ionic Field Projector II

    The idea is that the only thing that can reliably 1v1 a garmur is stuff like a scram claw or ranis or any other super fast mwd brawler, you kite ab ships and slow stuff and if you meat the ranis or cursader you scram it and have range control and thus you can die. In theory you can even orbit arty stuff at 500 with the ab and get wins like that. Died on the warpin in lowsec to a ab +web ship as it was to slow to get out of scram range fast enough, got a second one and a dualprop ab malediction almost killed me 1v1 cause lml application is absolutely terrible. Fit looks great in theory but sucked in reality.

    [Garmur, scram kiter]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Ballistic Control System II

    5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    1MN Afterburner II
    Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

    Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Scourge Rage Rocket

    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

    Looked great in theory too, you are fast so you can range control vs a lot, you can shoot to 15km with navy or to 22k with rage, you can easily orbit brawling stuff at 13km or so and get free wins. Vs kiters you are super fast with the mwd so you can gtfo whenever you want or you can go for slingshots if you want to. And combat wise you are a 260dps ship with 4.5k ehp. Tried it once and died vs a linked hg snakes rail comet while scrammed at 12km and spamming warp. Should still warp in theory.


    My suggestion is to sell this and to buy a worm instead.
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    just an odd question, how would a flight of 4-5 garmurs supporting a brawling gang would do?

    like having 6 tristans with neuts and then 4 garmurs doing "artillery" with LMLs ..is that a good mix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain Colcer View Post
    just an odd question, how would a flight of 4-5 garmurs supporting a brawling gang would do?

    like having 6 tristans with neuts and then 4 garmurs doing "artillery" with LMLs ..is that a good mix?
    How do you measure that it works perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alain Colcer View Post
    just an odd question, how would a flight of 4-5 garmurs supporting a brawling gang would do?

    like having 6 tristans with neuts and then 4 garmurs doing "artillery" with LMLs ..is that a good mix?
    Why a gamur? You can have higher dps ships there for less isk.
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    Also better support ships like Keres or dual painter hyena
    Actually an '06.

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    yeah keres is probably a better choice for tackle at that point....can't argue with that.

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    I'd take a Keres, hyena and four Talwars over six Garmurs, is what I mean. They don't really bring that much to the table for gangs imo
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    [Garmur, lolmur]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Warp Disruptor II
    5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    Warp Scrambler II
    Medium 'Canyon' Shield Extender

    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile

    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I
    Small Ancillary Current Router II
    Small Ionic Field Projector II

    Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile x159
    Targeting Range Script x1


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    I'd consider a small shield extender setup if you just want an inexpensive buffer fit:

    [Garmur, SSE]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    5MN Microwarpdrive II
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Small Shield Extender II

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile

    Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
    Small Ionic Field Projector II
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II

    5.5k EHP, 4.2 km/s cold, 123 cold dps with faction ammo, and 3.8s align with prop active.

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    I should buy a garmur...
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    I know they rebalanced but SSEs are still shit iirc.

    Better to use a MAPC for grid on any frig rather than ACR rig if you can afford the CPU as it's not percentage based. If I had EFT on work computer I would post an alternative.

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    One Nano and two polycarbs?

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    em rig is kinda required I think since beam slicers are pretty much the only thing that will be bothering you
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    Maybe... it's so fast though I don't think you need that many speed/agi mods.

    Edit: Keckers, i agree, though I'd argue the Crusader is a bigger threat

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    I should buy a crusader as well...
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    It is absurd that we are capable of witnessing a 40,000 year old system of gender oppression begin to dissolve before our eyes yet still see the abolition of a 200 year old economic system as an unrealistic utopia.

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    Ok mapc won't work, 221/222.5 CPU used. I'd have to swap warp disruptor and scram for t1 variants but I quite like the 50km point and 21km scram. :/
    Fit updated, you're right 2 nanos are enough. Only 5914 vs 6099m/s with links. Also means I can fit 3 x TII rigs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smuggo View Post
    I know they rebalanced but SSEs are still shit iirc.
    Nah, they're actually pretty decent - they provide about the same additional buffer as a 200mm plate. The SSE fit I posted has ~15% more total EHP than Stoffl's MSE fit and only marginally less EHP in shield.

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    Imo these things are still shit, you need links and snakes for them to pop (cause then you start evading the ships issues), and even then its fairly meh.
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