[PVP] Garmur

[Lucence]

No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:

[Garmur, Pseudodram]
Damage Control II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.

[sharptoast]

[Garmur, MSE Garmur Basic]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II
Light Missile Launcher II

Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Probably try this when they drop in price, just waiting for people to start flying these but with no tank and getting killed by MWD fit Rifters a bit until the price drops.

[n0th]

No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:

[Garmur, Pseudodram]
Damage Control II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

more like

[Garmur, New Setup 1]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Medium Shield Extender II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

pretty much dramiel w/ way better damage projection and 16km scram

CBA testing this (or actually logging in), but looks OP as fuck

[Skypoint]

[Garmur, Garmur Super Scram Kite]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
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With All V skills and max skirmish boosts:
DPS: 143 cold, 165 heated
AB Speed: 1429 m/s cold, 1908 m/s heated
MWD Speed: 4018 m/s cold, 5791 m/s heated
Tank: 6.39 EHP
Sig Radius under AB: 21 m
Scram range: 20.9km cold, 24.5km heated
Web Range: 18.5km cold, 23.4km heated

Tactics. MWD to target, scram/web them at 20km , close to 18-17 km to avoid overheated web, then burn around them at nearly 2000 m/s while sig tanking their damage.

[Garviel]

Scram kiting really really doesn't properly abuse this ships strengths..

lml's and orbiting at 30km is where this ship shines.

[prometheus]

Don't bother trying to use rockets without a web.
You won't be able to handle frigs or drones effectively.

[Lunkwill]

Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

[Garmur, Wildcat T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Ionic Field Projector I

131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.

[QuackBot]

No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:

[Garmur, Pseudodram]
Damage Control II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.

No, this is the pve thread..

[Cue1*]

No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:

[Garmur, Pseudodram]
Damage Control II
Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
1MN Afterburner II
Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Small Core Defense Field Extender II
Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.

No, this is the pve thread..

No Quackers, it's not. The title clearly says PvP

posted from my pants

[Longdrinks]

Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

[Garmur, Wildcat T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Ionic Field Projector I

131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.

Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?

[LordsServant]

Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

[Garmur, Wildcat T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Shield Extender II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Ionic Field Projector I

131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.

Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?

The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.

In case you missed it.

[Longdrinks]

and a fit with defensive scram is better in every way in case you missed the point of my bitching.

[Lunkwill]

Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?

Swap out the MSE for a scram and the MAPC for a damage control. Same stats except you lose 500EHP (4K remaining), your MWD sig drops 40m and you gain a scram:

[Garmur, Wildcat T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II

[General Ization]

Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?

Swap out the MSE for a scram and the MAPC for a damage control. Same stats except you lose 500EHP (4K remaining), your MWD sig drops 40m and you gain a scram:

[Garmur, Wildcat T2]
Ballistic Control System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Internal Force Field Array I

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Warp Scrambler II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

Small Ionic Field Projector I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II

Theory-crafted a variant of this fit for when the T2 bulkheads rigs become more widely available.

[Garmur, Garmur Wilcat T2 Tweak]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Warp Scrambler II
Warp Disruptor II
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II


Sacrificing 90km/s, 12dps (15 heated), 12km targeting range and a quarter of you cargo for ~1300EHP

Drop the OD's to Meta4 to gain Cargo at the expense of Speed.

Alternatively:
• T2 Bay loading accelerator and a Single T1 Transverse bulkhead to raise the Dps to 6dps shy of the original fit and gain just 700 EHP
• T1 Bay loading Accelerator, T1 Transverse Bulkhead and a T1 Rigor/Flare

Not playing Eve currently so I'll leave it to others as to which option would be better or if the lack of targeting range over the original would be much an issue.

[Longdrinks]

armor or dcu buffer is only good for one fight. and then you need to rep up in station or slowly with mobile depot and reps you brought along. Never use t2 warp scrambler, use meta4 instead for better fitting and overheating performance.
Variations on the fit that sharptoast posted in the second post seems to be what people have the most success with. Rocket fits get a tiny bit more dps for ass range and a scram kiting outside of scramrange gimmick. Kiting with lml is infinitly more usable.

[OrangeAfroMan]

Mobile depot isn't slow. 60 seconds to anchor then a minute or two to rep your armor and structure...

[General Ization]

Good point on the T2 Scram. (no pun intended)

With the shield buffer you are going to have to safe up while it recharges and ultimately rep your hull and armour damage at some point too.

The shield buffer and shield rigs negate the native low sig and coupled with the MAPC seem like wasted slots that go against the design of the ship.

The sensor booster variant counters damps, if you drop that you can go for an additional burst tank.

[Garmur, LML Kite]
Internal Force Field Array I
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
Small Ionic Field Projector I
[empty rig slot]

Fits with a +3% PG Implant ~20m

[Noobonga]

needs genolutions. RF point for the low cpu so one can squeeze an iffa on there as well.

Another option is to use Thukker Micro Auxiliary Power Core if you can grab one of those. Currently cheapest is around 40m in Jita. First two genolutions are more than a 80m a piece.

[Sir Tankalot]

holy necro batman

So where is your content?
Since when ship fitting threads are meant to be left alone?

[Lucence]

holy necro batman

So where is your content?
Since when ship fitting threads are meant to be left alone?

max irony posting there Tankalot?

Yeah my fit that ive not used for about 10 months is probably due for an optimization as Genolutions are mega expensive now. Thanks for an updated version. Incidentally how is the garmur problem in lowsec going? D3s and recon changes made them less of an issue than they were a year ago?

Linked snaked 10km/s garmurs still cause everyone to call you a fag in local. A D3 has a chance to catch one IF it's flown really poorly. Recons don't really improve your odds, they just warp off or pull range.

The latest fad is using one of these garmurs to keep point, then have worms fit with max DDA / sebo / drone range aligned way far put their drones on you. All that bling on dscan also tends to attract semiblob gangs who think they can snatch a kill or two but just end up farmed.