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    [PVP] Garmur

    No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

    After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:
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    [Garmur, Pseudodram]
    Damage Control II
    Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
    Ballistic Control System II
    
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender II
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

    I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

    Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.

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    [Garmur, MSE Garmur Basic]
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
    Ballistic Control System II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
    Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor
    Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler

    Light Missile Launcher II
    Light Missile Launcher II
    Light Missile Launcher II

    Small Ionic Field Projector I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender I

    Probably try this when they drop in price, just waiting for people to start flying these but with no tank and getting killed by MWD fit Rifters a bit until the price drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucence View Post
    No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

    After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:
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    [Garmur, Pseudodram]
    Damage Control II
    Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
    Ballistic Control System II
    
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender II
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    more like

    [Garmur, New Setup 1]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Ballistic Control System II
    Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core

    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Medium Shield Extender II

    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket

    Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender II

    pretty much dramiel w/ way better damage projection and 16km scram

    CBA testing this (or actually logging in), but looks OP as fuck

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    [Garmur, Garmur Super Scram Kite]

    Damage Control II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
    200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

    Dark Blood Warp Scrambler
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

    Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

    Small Anti-Explosive Pump II
    Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II
    Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
    =======================================

    With All V skills and max skirmish boosts:
    DPS: 143 cold, 165 heated
    AB Speed: 1429 m/s cold, 1908 m/s heated
    MWD Speed: 4018 m/s cold, 5791 m/s heated
    Tank: 6.39 EHP
    Sig Radius under AB: 21 m
    Scram range: 20.9km cold, 24.5km heated
    Web Range: 18.5km cold, 23.4km heated

    Tactics. MWD to target, scram/web them at 20km , close to 18-17 km to avoid overheated web, then burn around them at nearly 2000 m/s while sig tanking their damage.

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    Scram kiting really really doesn't properly abuse this ships strengths..

    lml's and orbiting at 30km is where this ship shines.

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    Don't bother trying to use rockets without a web.
    You won't be able to handle frigs or drones effectively.
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    Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

    [Garmur, Wildcat T2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Shield Extender II
    F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Ionic Field Projector I

    131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

    The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucence View Post
    No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

    After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:
    Code:
    [Garmur, Pseudodram]
    Damage Control II
    Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
    Ballistic Control System II
    
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender II
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

    I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

    Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.
    No, this is the pve thread..

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuackBot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lucence View Post
    No Garmur thread yet ? Let the EFT warrioring begin.

    After a couple minutes in EFT I came up with:
    Code:
    [Garmur, Pseudodram]
    Damage Control II
    Navy Micro Auxiliary Power Core
    Ballistic Control System II
    
    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    1MN Afterburner II
    Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket
    
    Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
    Small Core Defense Field Extender II
    Small Polycarbon Engine Housing II
    Which instantly got me yelled at because it wasn't the obnoxious long point / defensive scram / LML fit. Obviously, adjust shiny level to wallet but investing in a better scram seems to be the wisest investment for the hull, and the abuse potential with snakes and links is tremendous.

    I still believe the LML fit isn't that great, considering a Crow is far cheaper and comes with a sig bloom bonus, whereas the dual prop fit at least has a chance of crashing a plex against stuff that doesn't have AB+scram+web.

    Hopefully once the price settles a bit a cookie cutter fit will develop.
    No, this is the pve thread..
    No Quackers, it's not. The title clearly says PvP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunkwill View Post
    Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

    [Garmur, Wildcat T2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Shield Extender II
    F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Ionic Field Projector I

    131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

    The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.
    Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longdrinks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lunkwill View Post
    Based on lossmails from DHB Wildcat, but cheapened:

    [Garmur, Wildcat T2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Shield Extender II
    F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Ionic Field Projector I

    131 dps up to 63k, overheated point to 43k, 4k5 EHP, 4816m/s. Bling the MWD for better cap and bling the point for even more range. (a Domination point will OH 54k)

    The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.
    Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?
    The equivalent Crow has less dps, is slower and has a shorter point.
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    and a fit with defensive scram is better in every way in case you missed the point of my bitching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Longdrinks View Post
    Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?
    Swap out the MSE for a scram and the MAPC for a damage control. Same stats except you lose 500EHP (4K remaining), your MWD sig drops 40m and you gain a scram:

    [Garmur, Wildcat T2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Internal Force Field Array I

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Warp Scrambler II
    F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Small Ionic Field Projector I
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunkwill View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Longdrinks View Post
    Has no defensive scram, why dont you fly a crow anyway if your goal is just being faster then your opponent and wearing him down with your subpar dps?
    Swap out the MSE for a scram and the MAPC for a damage control. Same stats except you lose 500EHP (4K remaining), your MWD sig drops 40m and you gain a scram:

    [Garmur, Wildcat T2]
    Ballistic Control System II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Internal Force Field Array I

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Warp Scrambler II
    F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile

    Small Ionic Field Projector I
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
    Small Auxiliary Thrusters II

    Theory-crafted a variant of this fit for when the T2 bulkheads rigs become more widely available.

    [Garmur, Garmur Wilcat T2 Tweak]
    Damage Control II
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Overdrive Injector System II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Scrambler II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

    Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
    Small Transverse Bulkhead II
    Small Transverse Bulkhead II


    Sacrificing 90km/s, 12dps (15 heated), 12km targeting range and a quarter of you cargo for ~1300EHP

    Drop the OD's to Meta4 to gain Cargo at the expense of Speed.

    Alternatively:
    T2 Bay loading accelerator and a Single T1 Transverse bulkhead to raise the Dps to 6dps shy of the original fit and gain just 700 EHP
    T1 Bay loading Accelerator, T1 Transverse Bulkhead and a T1 Rigor/Flare

    Not playing Eve currently so I'll leave it to others as to which option would be better or if the lack of targeting range over the original would be much an issue.

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    armor or dcu buffer is only good for one fight. and then you need to rep up in station or slowly with mobile depot and reps you brought along. Never use t2 warp scrambler, use meta4 instead for better fitting and overheating performance.
    Variations on the fit that sharptoast posted in the second post seems to be what people have the most success with. Rocket fits get a tiny bit more dps for ass range and a scram kiting outside of scramrange gimmick. Kiting with lml is infinitly more usable.

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    Mobile depot isn't slow. 60 seconds to anchor then a minute or two to rep your armor and structure...
    Actually an '06.

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    Good point on the T2 Scram. (no pun intended)

    With the shield buffer you are going to have to safe up while it recharges and ultimately rep your hull and armour damage at some point too.

    The shield buffer and shield rigs negate the native low sig and coupled with the MAPC seem like wasted slots that go against the design of the ship.

    The sensor booster variant counters damps, if you drop that you can go for an additional burst tank.

    [Garmur, LML Kite]
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Overdrive Injector System II
    Overdrive Injector System II

    Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
    Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile

    Small Bay Loading Accelerator II
    Small Ionic Field Projector I
    [empty rig slot]

    Fits with a +3% PG Implant ~20m

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    needs genolutions. RF point for the low cpu so one can squeeze an iffa on there as well.
    Another option is to use Thukker Micro Auxiliary Power Core if you can grab one of those. Currently cheapest is around 40m in Jita. First two genolutions are more than a 80m a piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    holy necro batman
    So where is your content?
    Since when ship fitting threads are meant to be left alone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Tankalot View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    holy necro batman
    So where is your content?
    Since when ship fitting threads are meant to be left alone?
    max irony posting there Tankalot?

    Yeah my fit that ive not used for about 10 months is probably due for an optimization as Genolutions are mega expensive now. Thanks for an updated version. Incidentally how is the garmur problem in lowsec going? D3s and recon changes made them less of an issue than they were a year ago?
    Linked snaked 10km/s garmurs still cause everyone to call you a fag in local. A D3 has a chance to catch one IF it's flown really poorly. Recons don't really improve your odds, they just warp off or pull range.

    The latest fad is using one of these garmurs to keep point, then have worms fit with max DDA / sebo / drone range aligned way far put their drones on you. All that bling on dscan also tends to attract semiblob gangs who think they can snatch a kill or two but just end up farmed.

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