Ukraine: Russian Invasion

[Maximillian]

Who could have imagined that a Treaty signed in Munich to guarantee the remaining territory of a small nation from the continued depravations of a large one under the sway of a dictator would prove to be worthless.

I am shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!

[helgur]

So basically breaking the treaty, but demanding Ukraine still abides by it.

I want what they are having

[walrus]

08.08.2008

22.02.2022

Attack of the numerologist!

[rufuske]

So basically breaking the treaty, but demanding Ukraine still abides by it.

I want what they are having

Vodka and poverty?

[depili]

So basically breaking the treaty, but demanding Ukraine still abides by it.

I want what they are having

Krokodil and poverty?

FYP

[Zeekar]

So basically breaking the treaty, but demanding Ukraine still abides by it.

I want what they are having

USA and Iran seem a bit similar here as well. Absolutely insane in both cases tho.

[Cosmin]

All ex-CCCP nations desperately hoping Russia doesn't recognise their independance next too

[duckduck]

Putin seemed fucking deranged in his speech tonight. He has a reputation as some deep strategic thinker, but I think that's just in comparison to idiotic western leaders like Trump, Biden, Johnson etc. I actually think Putin might have drunk too much of his own Kool-Aid and lost it. Shitholes like Dontesk and Luhansk are worthless in themselves. They were only useful as ways to fuck up and neuter Ukraine.

Isnt those two areas Ukraines main area for production of whatever it is they produce there?

They have a lot of heavy industry like coal, chemicals and steel, but that will have been fucked up by conflict. They also have a old and declining population - even before the conflict. The rest of Ukraine has been taking faltering steps towards the 21st century tech and service sectors.

[Lallante]

It's all just shit punted on for years. Minnsk-2 was signed and it doesn't matter. Russia can sit back and just keep pointing to it as "we have an agreement" and the hole Ukraine has backed itself into, with the US urging them to every step of the way, over the last eight years is its own problem. This doesn't touch on things older than that but my grasp is rough at best.

I'm just a moron on the internet but that's my understanding of the situation. Everything else is just noise and needless violence.

So what you are saying is it's Ukraine and the USA's fault for making Russia invade?

[Elriche Oshego]

[Shuko]

They have a lot of heavy industry like coal, chemicals and steel, but that will have been fucked up by conflict. They also have a old and declining population - even before the conflict. The rest of Ukraine has been taking faltering steps towards the 21st century tech and service sectors.

You are making it sound like the shit side would actually be a perfect fit for Russia, while leaving the healthy side for europe-life.

[VARRAKK]

I think that FHC should show some responsibility here, and ban all the Russian account.

#sanctions

[Sandzibar]

Its not smooth boy's fault the person he votes for is a maniac..

[Elriche Oshego]

Implying Razoroub votes.

Inb4 a gigantic screed by our favourite "left wing" posters and the following proscription posting by our would be Caesars.

[depili]

It is a peculiar coincidence that the diplomatic envoys from Donbass and Luhansk have just managed to secure their independence and aid of mother Russia when the whole world is experiencing an energy crisis and the natives are restless because of it and thus sanctions aimed to Russias main exports, oil and gas, would be unpopular.

[Lallante]

It is a peculiar coincidence that the diplomatic envoys from Donbass and Luhansk have just managed to secure their independence and aid of mother Russia when the whole world is experiencing an energy crisis and the natives are restless because of it and thus sanctions aimed to Russias main exports, oil and gas, would be unpopular.

Dont forget US midterms

[Hel OWeen]

Back in my day, there was actual war footage. I guess Twitter posts are the new battlegrounds now.

[duckduck]

They have a lot of heavy industry like coal, chemicals and steel, but that will have been fucked up by conflict. They also have a old and declining population - even before the conflict. The rest of Ukraine has been taking faltering steps towards the 21st century tech and service sectors.

You are making it sound like the shit side would actually be a perfect fit for Russia, while leaving the healthy side for europe-life.

If Russia just wanted the parts of Ukraine the separatists already hold (and wouldn't come back for more next time), then I think Ukraine and the West would begrudgingly accept that. Like if, for some reason Canada wanted to annex Detroit!

[Hel OWeen]

They have a lot of heavy industry like coal, chemicals and steel, but that will have been fucked up by conflict. They also have a old and declining population - even before the conflict. The rest of Ukraine has been taking faltering steps towards the 21st century tech and service sectors.

You are making it sound like the shit side would actually be a perfect fit for Russia, while leaving the healthy side for europe-life.

If Russia just wanted the parts of Ukraine the separatists already hold (and wouldn't come back for more next time), then I think Ukraine and the West would begrudgingly accept that. Like if, for some reason Canada wanted to annex Detroit!

The whole thing is a lose-lose scenario for all involved but Russia.

My depressing assessment is that Russia can basically act as it pleases it. Except for going onto a full-scale war against an actual NATO member, it has to fear no serious military intervention from anybody. There's too much to lose for every European + NATO country. And if only in the political sense (U.S. midterms) The west will drop some sanctions, but that's about it.

And in some weird way Germany might in a sense benefit from it by dropping the meanwhile awkward and unwelcome Nordstream2 project, because "Sanctions - take that, Russia!oneeleven!"

[Sandzibar]

Implying Razoroub votes.

Well you dont actually need to vote in order to vote in Russia.

Im sure the nice old lady in the polling station has already done it for you on your behalf. Whether you like it or not.