Ukraine: Russian Invasion

**VARRAKK** · January 24 2023, 06:35:26 PM

Originally Posted by Smegs

It will all come down to how the tanks are deployed. Remember these units were developed to be part of the wider tactical information network. If these vehicles are deployed in a limited manner without the information, infantry and air cover support, i don't see them having all that much impact (beyond psychological). If on the other hand NATO has supplied the theatre info systems required for these tanks to shine (which it looks like there are elements of already operating in Ukraine), then, well ..... USSR-Lite tankers better just abandon their vehicles now, because most of the time they won’t even see what they were hit by. All that will be needed is servicing and ammo and even a small number of these units will wipe the floor with the USSR-lite units.

This is what troops are being trained for.
Abrahams and Bradley together on the battlefield, that is only going one way. Straight through the Russian lines.
Backed up by Strykers. US will probably fork over 2 Brigades worths of tanks.

**rufuske** · January 24 2023, 06:49:23 PM

Some here are old enough to remember Desert Storm. Bradleys got more kills on T-XX than Abramses and Challengers were the spearhead...

**Joe Appleby** · January 24 2023, 06:54:44 PM

Originally Posted by VARRAKK

Originally Posted by Joe Appleby

Originally Posted by VARRAKK

So a lot of crazy shit going on right now.

1) Germany backflipped again, and now giving Ukraine a company of Leopard 2A6's (14 tanks is really pathetic for Germany)

You missed the part where we have very few tanks in active inventory due to mismanagement? Rheinmetall said they can deliver 20 in a couple of months on German news today.

Thats been my suspicion the whole time.
Bunderwehr in such poor shape, they probably can't even field 100 tanks.

Suspicion? That's pretty much public knowledge. Let me point to the mech infantry unit that had 18 out of 18 Pumas out of service after a single exercise.

**Smegs** · January 24 2023, 07:01:06 PM

Originally Posted by rufuske

Some here are old enough to remember Desert Storm. Bradleys got more kills on T-XX than Abramses and Challengers were the spearhead...

Was alive for the first and second wars and even though the info network was rudimentary in the first one, holy shit the USSR tanks got ripped, even when in entrenched positions. As soon as they tried to counter attack, they literally got obliterated within half a mile of first contact.

**Lilalaunebör** · January 24 2023, 07:37:14 PM

I have a creeping suspicion that the recent and ongoing firings of Ukrainian officials due to corruption has something to do with the turn-around in tank deliveries.

We always only see half the picture.

**Candy Crush** · January 24 2023, 08:14:15 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Appleby

https://archive.is/CXE8s

run it through DeepL

Germany will deliver a company of 2A6 from Bundeswehr stock (which means active units, they eliminated stock by moving to just in time logistics in 2012), sign off any deliveries by its partners, US is checking if it can send "a significant number" of Abrams.

Edit: Someone linked this thread on discord, it's pretty spot on.

debunked

**Candy Crush** · January 24 2023, 08:18:42 PM

Didn't take long.

**rufuske** · January 24 2023, 09:10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Candy Crush

Originally Posted by Joe Appleby

https://archive.is/CXE8s

run it through DeepL

Germany will deliver a company of 2A6 from Bundeswehr stock (which means active units, they eliminated stock by moving to just in time logistics in 2012), sign off any deliveries by its partners, US is checking if it can send "a significant number" of Abrams.

Edit: Someone linked this thread on discord, it's pretty spot on.

debunked

Oh boy:

Oh boy...I mean, I'm no fan of PIS myself but that shows where his true allegiances lie. One thing is sure, there's a lot of things happening we simply won't hear about for maybe even years.

**rufuske** · January 24 2023, 09:56:30 PM

But wait, there's more. Someone compiled a list of his greatest hits:

https://twitter.com/PhilipLeButt/sta...14805651210241

I sincerely hope this is not how average german feels.

And something to lighten the mood:

**Nordstern** · January 25 2023, 02:42:53 AM

Poland blinked. They'll ask Germany for export permission.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nks-to-ukraine

**rufuske** · January 25 2023, 06:41:16 AM

Originally Posted by Nordstern

Poland blinked. They'll ask Germany for export permission.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...nks-to-ukraine

Mate...

**Hel OWeen** · January 25 2023, 07:52:32 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Appleby

Edit: Someone linked this thread on discord, it's pretty spot on.

Erhm ... http://failheap-challenge.com/showth...=1#post1969760

**Hel OWeen** · January 25 2023, 07:55:28 AM

Originally Posted by Fara

The hurfblurf of the SPD about the leopards was quite hilarious to watch from afar. Hilarious but also very very sad, as for me it summarises the political culture on the government level quite well. Avoid decisions, avoid tackling real problem and invent semantics to divert from the real issue.

You can't blame chancellor Scholz. That's how Merkel successfully stayed in office for 4 terms.

**Candy Crush** · January 25 2023, 08:53:37 AM

Either they have a colorful mix - no matter how operable - or they will have all Russian models in a few years.
It simply HAS to work.

**Hel OWeen** · January 25 2023, 08:54:36 AM

Originally Posted by rufuske

But wait, there's more. Someone compiled a list of his greatest hits:

https://twitter.com/PhilipLeButt/sta...14805651210241

I sincerely hope this is not how average german feels.

I'm inclined to believe he's Dutch, not German. The cited tweets of him in that thread which are German, are not correct German, e.g. this one:

Sie wohnt ins Vereinigte Königreich, aber würde aus die Ukraine kommen. Shevchenko hat ein ganzes Heer von Männer, von denen sie anbeten wird. Sie benützt die Männer um Leute auf Twitter aggressiv das Wort ab zu schneiden. Deshalb habe ich sie blockiert.

Understandable, but with errors that a non-native speaker makes.

**Lowa [NSN]** · January 25 2023, 09:19:09 AM

Originally Posted by rufuske

Oh boy:

Oh boy...I mean, I'm no fan of PIS myself but that shows where his true allegiances lie. One thing is sure, there's a lot of things happening we simply won't hear about for maybe even years.

Context for me pls?

**rufuske** · January 25 2023, 09:27:23 AM

Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN]

Originally Posted by rufuske

Oh boy:

Oh boy...I mean, I'm no fan of PIS myself but that shows where his true allegiances lie. One thing is sure, there's a lot of things happening we simply won't hear about for maybe even years.

Context for me pls?

Posts quoted above? Check the twitter threads. Embedded tweets seem to break forum quote formatting.

**Lowa [NSN]** · January 25 2023, 09:36:50 AM

Originally Posted by rufuske

Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN]

Originally Posted by rufuske

Oh boy:

Oh boy...I mean, I'm no fan of PIS myself but that shows where his true allegiances lie. One thing is sure, there's a lot of things happening we simply won't hear about for maybe even years.

Context for me pls?

Posts quoted above? Check the twitter threads. Embedded tweets seem to break forum quote formatting.

Aah, now it clicked on the @name. Ty.