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    Quote Originally Posted by halka View Post
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    How the hell are the servos louder than actually firing the damn gun?! (yes yes, sound/vibration transmission through solids, but still)
    You can see the charges he uses are small, so that is clearly less boomy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    300's were supposed to hit soft targets, 600's are design to hit harder, it's basically a Javelin on steroids. Both are a step in direction of future wars.

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    300s dont frag so arent great against even soft cover.

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    The result of precision arty strike: 10 min of an ammo depot blowing up

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miep View Post
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    The problem is the drone watching what's going on. The speed and range may be not enough to survive.
    Currently NATO can only give what we have. That's mean old dumb munitions. With precision rounds you can nail the target with 1-3 shots, with dumb rounds you need to fire 10 and be exposed longer.
    You need the guys with the sharpest eyes and best binos to be scanning the skies. I'd be attaching MANPADs and ZU-23-2 guns with each arty battery.
    Panzerhaubitze 2000 can fire 30 rounds in 3 minutes and change postition after one more minute. Russia needs around 20 min to fire counter artillery (or counter mrls in this case because it outranges 99% of russian barrel artillery).

    Only drones and air attacks can hurt it when used wisely. And yes: Drones are a pain in the ass. For both sides.

    Btw, i wonder why we dont see any more footage of Switchblade use. Anyone some information? I believed the Switchblade 600 is a.real.gamechanger, seems i was wrong.
    Possibly Ukrainian military is saving the 600s for some specific operation they have in mind, or possibly they are using them but just keeping quiet about it.

    EDIT: Given the issues that Ukrainian ground forces are having with Russian arty, I might speculate that they're planning some operation to hit a lot of batteries at the same time in order to open a hole in Russian defences, or to kick the legs out from some expected attack.
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    Wouldnt that be more a Mission for Brimstones? Hitting multiple targets simultanous? Well, lacking.the range to be used against artillery i guess.
    Switchblades are more of an company or even squad oppertunity weapon.
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    Like I said, just my armchair speculation. Do Ukraine have a lot of Brimstones? It could just be as simple as that they've found that Switchblades aren't especially suited for what the army is mostly doing where they're mostly doing it, but Switchblade 600 seems such a useful piece of kit that this feels less likely.
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    Or the EW is hurting the switchblades, or shooting video for a hour waiting for the loitering mution to maybe acquire a target and hit something isn't productive on the battlefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    What was the top range for the HIMARS missiles? 300km for ATACMS and 80km for the normal missiles?

    Did they get any ATACMS?
    Biden indicated that Ukraine wasn't getting the extra-special missiles.
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    US sent only 4 HIMARS systems, I don't think its will make any impact, regardless ammunition.

    More about heavy systems in Ukraine from Österreichs Bundesheer


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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    US sent only 4 HIMARS systems, I don't think its will make any impact, regardless ammunition.

    More about heavy systems in Ukraine from Österreichs Bundesheer

    Moving HIMARS is difficult apparently:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...en-four-HIMARS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    US sent only 4 HIMARS systems, I don't think its will make any impact, regardless ammunition.

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    These are training units. Once they got crews ready to use them, more will come.
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    MARS/HIMARS are ammo and intel limited not number limited, they don't work by saturating an area with explosions like katyushas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post

    Moving HIMARS is difficult apparently:

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/202...en-four-HIMARS
    Maybe they should have called them LOMARS

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    German company KMW offers to sell 100 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/822908.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by VARRAKK View Post
    German company KMW offers to sell 100 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/822908.html
    At first I thought that this sounded like old news. Then I saw the date on that article: it's from April.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theBlind View Post
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    German company KMW offers to sell 100 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/822908.html
    At first I thought that this sounded like old news. Then I saw the date on that article: it's from April.
    Yeah and it also got denied by the german government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
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    German company KMW offers to sell 100 self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine

    https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/822908.html
    At first I thought that this sounded like old news. Then I saw the date on that article: it's from April.
    Yeah and it also got denied by the german government.
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    New toys for Ukraine, no idea how will impact the outcome

    These Are The Riverine Patrol Boats Ukraine Is Getting From The U.S.

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    These seem like a "Sure, why not?" rather than any kind of game changer, but IDK, maybe Ukraine has an anticipated need to stop small infantry groups crossing rivers or something?
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