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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
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    I agree that he’s bluffing, I’m just saying that IF he gives the order, it will happen. It’s not like an officer drone will refuse to do it, especially since his refusal will result in getting shot.
    Wrong. There's no single officer to carry out the order and no single button to push. It's a pretty complicated procedure which if initiated will result in Putin being very firmly but politely asked to drink the tea just given to him by his closest partners in crime that prefer not be glassed during retaliatory strike.
    True, but : If Russia uses a Tactical nuke in Ukraine, there will be no Glassing of Moscow. There will be outcry and china will have a very hard time to keep associating with russia.
    That might keep them from using one, but not fear of retaliation from the west. Russia knows there won't be any.
    Yes but I'm not talking about tactical nuke in Ukraine but the kind useful idiots in the west are spreading fear about. Ie nuking London, Paris, Berlin etc. As these were the threats that were presented in russian national tv channels.
    Ah, yes, those people. yeah, no. not going to happen. Putin will have a "medical condition" really suddenly when he wants to start all out nuclear war.

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    I can't see Russia being in a position to use nukes without also calling for full mobilisation. I'm pretty sure Putin lacks the political capital to actually declare war now, conscripts from the mud hut regions of Russia dying in droves has a different cultural impact to 'real russians' from Moscow and St Petersburg getting instagibbed by guided munitions
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    I'm more concerned about a nuclear accident then nuclear nuke in Ukraine:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...rce=reddit.com
    No worries, Ukraine can just use "smoke warheads" (that happen to use phosphorous). If they're OK for Russia to use on civilian targets, as apparently they are, the turnabout is fair play.
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    I can't see Russia being in a position to use nukes without also calling for full mobilisation. I'm pretty sure Putin lacks the political capital to actually declare war now, conscripts from the mud hut regions of Russia dying in droves has a different cultural impact to 'real russians' from Moscow and St Petersburg getting instagibbed by guided munitions
    I'm not sure provoking the russian equivalent of the Home Counties is an absolute blocker to mobilisation; he'll probably do it when there's literally nothing else, but yeah he's not going to try the nuclear option unless and until Ukraine starts looking like they'll serious inroads into "real" Russia. And unless I miss my guess, I think Ukraine just wants Russia out and to get on with their lives, with maybe a few Israeli style snatch squads for the 3 or 400 worst Russian war criminals.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.

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    Once a tankie, always a tankie, apparently.
    Quote Originally Posted by Isyel View Post
    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    I can't see Russia being in a position to use nukes without also calling for full mobilisation. I'm pretty sure Putin lacks the political capital to actually declare war now, conscripts from the mud hut regions of Russia dying in droves has a different cultural impact to 'real russians' from Moscow and St Petersburg getting instagibbed by guided munitions
    I'm not sure provoking the russian equivalent of the Home Counties is an absolute blocker to mobilisation; he'll probably do it when there's literally nothing else, but yeah he's not going to try the nuclear option unless and until Ukraine starts looking like they'll serious inroads into "real" Russia. And unless I miss my guess, I think Ukraine just wants Russia out and to get on with their lives, with maybe a few Israeli style snatch squads for the 3 or 400 worst Russian war criminals.
    You're spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    "I think we could all do with sitting back a bit and detaching ourselves from the situation to really think about how these issues reflect on our future and how we discuss them here and be a bit less aggressive or defensive because everyone has a complicated set of circumstances that has led the to place importance on particular issues and it doesn't meany any of them is less valid, we just need to look at the broader picture"

    Smuggo - Brexit Thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crystalline Entity View Post
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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    It's amazing just how hard the fringes on the left and the right want to suck Putin's cock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximillian View Post
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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    It's amazing just how hard the fringes on the left and the right want to suck Putin's cock.
    The man's an idiot but his point is diplomatic solutions should be sought as well not just giving weapons.

    However any diplomatic solution will involve ceding territory at this stage and I can't see how it's unacceptable Palestine has had to cede territory and this is an outrage but it's fine for Ukraine to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    It's amazing just how hard the fringes on the left and the right want to suck Putin's cock.
    The man's an idiot but his point is diplomatic solutions should be sought as well not just giving weapons.

    However any diplomatic solution will involve ceding territory at this stage and I can't see how it's unacceptable Palestine has had to cede territory and this is an outrage but it's fine for Ukraine to?
    Ukraine has a Jewish President. Corbyn has an issue with Jews???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
    The man's an idiot but his point is diplomatic solutions should be sought as well not just giving weapons.
    What makes you think they weren't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
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    Russia does not view itself as part of anything. They view themselves as above or better because of the incessant brainwashing of the "glorious victory" of WW2. The simple fact and uncomfortable one to many of the is that at best the soviet army lost 4 soldiers for every axis soldiers killed, 10 tanks for every axis tank destroyed and 10 planes for every one of the axis destroyed. They lied then as they lie today attempting to project an image of a "fearsome beast" while the truth was that they "won" an almost pyrrhic victory with catastrophic demographic consequences that still echo today. And that WITH LEND LEASE behind them. Coming in our days, Putin is recruiting 30k fresh, no previous military experience needed, just to plug the front line.
    29k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Candy Crush View Post
    Russia does not view itself as part of anything. They view themselves as above or better because of the incessant brainwashing of the "glorious victory" of WW2. The simple fact and uncomfortable one to many of the is that at best the soviet army lost 4 soldiers for every axis soldiers killed, 10 tanks for every axis tank destroyed and 10 planes for every one of the axis destroyed. They lied then as they lie today attempting to project an image of a "fearsome beast" while the truth was that they "won" an almost pyrrhic victory with catastrophic demographic consequences that still echo today. And that WITH LEND LEASE behind them. Coming in our days, Putin is recruiting 30k fresh, no previous military experience needed, just to plug the front line.
    This has been their doctrine developed in WW2 and ever since: overwhelm with quantity fully well aware of and accepting these losses. This also plays a role in their weapons production. Accept inferior combat quality/strength (compared to western tanks), but make them easier, faster and cheaper to build and maintain under normal circumstances*).

    *) The apparent corruption going on obviously hurts them badly in that aspect.


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    Inferior quality domestic stuff works fine when you have lend lease providing a backbone of actually operational combat vehicles and trucks for logistics.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siv View Post
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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    It's amazing just how hard the fringes on the left and the right want to suck Putin's cock.
    The man's an idiot but his point is diplomatic solutions should be sought as well not just giving weapons.

    However any diplomatic solution will involve ceding territory at this stage and I can't see how it's unacceptable Palestine has had to cede territory and this is an outrage but it's fine for Ukraine to?
    If only SOMEONE had tried negotiation or diplomatic solutions?

    It's not like the last however many years since Crimea have consisted of nothing but that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Inferior quality domestic stuff works fine when you have lend lease providing a backbone of actually operational combat vehicles and trucks for logistics.
    In wonder where all the British and U.S. American T-34 production facilities were located ...

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    The t-34 would have been useless without American diesel and trucks to keep the supply lines operational. Without lend lease the USSR couldn't have maintained a 1:7 k/d against german armour.
    Look, the wages you withheld from the workmen who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of Hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and self-indulgence. You have fattened yourselves for slaughter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Inferior quality domestic stuff works fine when you have lend lease providing a backbone of actually operational combat vehicles and trucks for logistics.
    In wonder where all the British and U.S. American T-34 production facilities were located ...
    lol. what a dumb hill to die on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
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    Corbyn wants Ukraine to roll over and die, quality leadership material.
    God I wish he was in charge, it was a shame he was stabbed in the back
    It's amazing just how hard the fringes on the left and the right want to suck Putin's cock.
    The man's an idiot but his point is diplomatic solutions should be sought as well not just giving weapons.

    However any diplomatic solution will involve ceding territory at this stage and I can't see how it's unacceptable Palestine has had to cede territory and this is an outrage but it's fine for Ukraine to?
    If only SOMEONE had tried negotiation or diplomatic solutions?

    It's not like the last however many years since Crimea have consisted of nothing but that
    As I said the man's an idiot. But his point was more nuanced than stop sending weapons, even if it made him hypocritical and look quite thick.

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