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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    CIA has a pretty good track record on ending up needing to assassinate the dictators they installed few years down the line... (btw Legacy of Ashes - The history of CIA is a pretty nice book)

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    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.
    Not by any established definition. If after seeing what has been happening last 2 weeks and how easily Russia advances in Ukraine, anyone thinks at the moment they have means and economy to sustain any kind of military power in rest of Europe, they're delusional.

    All of that can of course change if by some tragic turn of events Ukraine is forced to fold and Russia is given few years and steady stream of currency for oil/gas etc to rebuild. If that happens I strongly suggest migrating out of Europe. Because when they come back for vengeance, that's how WW3 will start.
    People in WW1 and WW2 were in denial even after Poland got invaded, go figure
    The world wasn't at war when Germany invaded Poland. No one at the time thought of that as a world war. We just package that in today with world war two since the hostilities with some the major players involved was continuous from then on up until 1945. But the world wasn't at war. If France would have invaded Germany before Poland was defeated and somehow managed to take the nazi regime out, world war two would never have happened and it wouldn't have been called world war two today.

    Likewise in Ukraine. If somehow the Russian state collapses from the economic sanctions (unlikely, but let's just say for the sake of argument), or anything else happens that puts an end to the hostilities in Ukraine, how can this be a third world war? We don't know what will happen next. You are just jumping to conclusions. And who will be the key players in this war? The Russians don't have the means to fight against Ukraine let alone the rest of the world!

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    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.
    Not by any established definition. If after seeing what has been happening last 2 weeks and how easily Russia advances in Ukraine, anyone thinks at the moment they have means and economy to sustain any kind of military power in rest of Europe, they're delusional.

    All of that can of course change if by some tragic turn of events Ukraine is forced to fold and Russia is given few years and steady stream of currency for oil/gas etc to rebuild. If that happens I strongly suggest migrating out of Europe. Because when they come back for vengeance, that's how WW3 will start.
    People in WW1 and WW2 were in denial even after Poland got invaded, go figure
    The world wasn't at war when Germany invaded Poland. No one at the time thought of that as a world war. We just package that in today with world war two since the hostilities with some the major players involved was continuous from then on up until 1945. But the world wasn't at war. If France would have invaded Germany before Poland was defeated and somehow managed to take the nazi regime out, world war two would never have happened and it wouldn't have been called world war two today.

    Likewise in Ukraine. If somehow the Russian state collapses from the economic sanctions (unlikely, but let's just say for the sake of argument), or anything else happens that puts an end to the hostilities in Ukraine, how can this be a third world war? We don't know what will happen next. You are just jumping to conclusions. And who will be the key players in this war? The Russians don't have the means to fight against Ukraine let alone the rest of the world!
    I don't think that a conventional WW3 will happen, but my thesis is that this situation may lead to a nuclear escalation. It is good to see Putin getting a bloody nose, but a humiliated and worried Putin is much more likely to do something paradigm breaking and dangerous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
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    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.
    Not by any established definition. If after seeing what has been happening last 2 weeks and how easily Russia advances in Ukraine, anyone thinks at the moment they have means and economy to sustain any kind of military power in rest of Europe, they're delusional.

    All of that can of course change if by some tragic turn of events Ukraine is forced to fold and Russia is given few years and steady stream of currency for oil/gas etc to rebuild. If that happens I strongly suggest migrating out of Europe. Because when they come back for vengeance, that's how WW3 will start.
    People in WW1 and WW2 were in denial even after Poland got invaded, go figure
    The world wasn't at war when Germany invaded Poland. No one at the time thought of that as a world war. We just package that in today with world war two since the hostilities with some the major players involved was continuous from then on up until 1945. But the world wasn't at war. If France would have invaded Germany before Poland was defeated and somehow managed to take the nazi regime out, world war two would never have happened and it wouldn't have been called world war two today.

    Likewise in Ukraine. If somehow the Russian state collapses from the economic sanctions (unlikely, but let's just say for the sake of argument), or anything else happens that puts an end to the hostilities in Ukraine, how can this be a third world war? We don't know what will happen next. You are just jumping to conclusions. And who will be the key players in this war? The Russians don't have the means to fight against Ukraine let alone the rest of the world!
    I don't think that a conventional WW3 will happen, but my thesis is that this situation may lead to a nuclear escalation. It is good to see Putin getting a bloody nose, but a humiliated and worried Putin is much more likely to do something paradigm breaking and dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    CIA has a pretty good track record on ending up needing to assassinate the dictators they installed few years down the line... (btw Legacy of Ashes - The history of CIA is a pretty nice book)
    I would also like to add the Mitrokhin Archive, which is the history of the KGB I mentioned earlier. What is really crazy when you read both books back to back: early successes (Iran for the US, Cambridge Five for the KGB) convinced both services that they were always in control. And everything that went wrong or that they didn't anticipate was the work of the other side. It gets frightening when they start blaming each other for the same things.


    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    The world wasn't at war when Germany invaded Poland. No one at the time thought of that as a world war. We just package that in today with world war two since the hostilities with some the major players involved was continuous from then on up until 1945. But the world wasn't at war. If France would have invaded Germany before Poland was defeated and somehow managed to take the nazi regime out, world war two would never have happened and it wouldn't have been called world war two today.
    Pretty bold. Pretty wrong, too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war#Etymology
    The term "World War I" was coined by Time magazine on page 28b of its June 12, 1939 issue. In the same article, on page 32, the term "World War II" was first used speculatively to describe the upcoming war. The first use for the actual war came in its issue of September 11, 1939.[6] One week earlier, on September 4, the day after France and the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad used the term on its front page, saying "The Second World War broke out yesterday at 11 a.m."[7]
    6"Grey Friday: TIME Reports on World War II Beginning". TIME. September 11, 1939. < You can read that article in their archive.
    7 "Den anden Verdenskrig udbrød i Gaar Middags Kl. 11", Kristeligt Dagblad, September 4, 1939, Extra edition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by depili View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    CIA has a pretty good track record on ending up needing to assassinate the dictators they installed few years down the line... (btw Legacy of Ashes - The history of CIA is a pretty nice book)
    On that note. Not Saying CIA installed Putin but they and the world were all to happy to help him any way they could, include regular governments all over the world when he took over from that drunk fuck Yeltsin. And that help stuck around when he was pacifying his regional and city leaders who were fighting for regional power all the way to the oligarch and strong man system because a stable nuke filled Russia was the best option even if that ment a benevolent 'stronk' leader (as many called him back then).
    Full with all the horseshit reasoning of 'Russia never knew anything but benevolent dictatorial regimes' ,'its their culture' etc.

    For that time it was one of the best options.
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    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.
    Good luck, Lief!

    We disagree on a lot of stuff, but actually helping on the ground always beats shitposting. Stay safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
    The world wasn't at war when Germany invaded Poland. No one at the time thought of that as a world war. We just package that in today with world war two since the hostilities with some the major players involved was continuous from then on up until 1945. But the world wasn't at war. If France would have invaded Germany before Poland was defeated and somehow managed to take the nazi regime out, world war two would never have happened and it wouldn't have been called world war two today.

    Likewise in Ukraine. If somehow the Russian state collapses from the economic sanctions (unlikely, but let's just say for the sake of argument), or anything else happens that puts an end to the hostilities in Ukraine, how can this be a third world war? We don't know what will happen next. You are just jumping to conclusions. And who will be the key players in this war? The Russians don't have the means to fight against Ukraine let alone the rest of the world!
    This is kind of exactly my point. Also see Joe's post.

    To further elaborate, there are a lot of ifs there in your recalling history. The same is happening now. If only Putin stopped (or was stopped). Which will likely never happen. Collapse of the Russian Federation will happen, it just will not happen in time for all this to de-escalate, there is a fire and at the moment it's fought with thoughts, prayers and shipments.

    Key players in this war are a bit overlapping, but probably the US + EU, Russia and China (but probably not together, China is wary of any association at the moment as it were) + various other entities that will get drawn in by proximity such as India, Pakistan and so on.

    Russia does have the means and man power to fight a lot of stuff. They're just terrible at it due to corruption and poor doctrines, but make no mistake you can't underestimate their potential numbers and the nukes that even in a poor state of operation are city killers.

    WW3 won't be an entirely conventional war either. There has been an on-going war already, just without actual militaries. Cyber attacks and information warfare cannot be overlooked, and people died due to these already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    I don't think that a conventional WW3 will happen, but my thesis is that this situation may lead to a nuclear escalation. It is good to see Putin getting a bloody nose, but a humiliated and worried Putin is much more likely to do something paradigm breaking and dangerous.
    Correct.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.
    Stay safe mate.

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    Sticking my head above the parapet, I really don't think there will be any sort of nuclear escalation. If a nuke is used in any capacity the gloves are well and truly off for NATO. Do you seriously think NATO and significant portions of the world will stand by and allow a regime that used a nuclear weapon to survive, and have the potential to use one again whenever it doesn't get what it wants .. and then again, and again? If even a limited nuclear strike is used, nearly every country will wipe the floor with the regime that used it. The nuclear option is all or nothing.

    You also need to remember that Putin cannot unilaterally pursue the nuclear option. There are at least three other commanders (and a whole lot of oligarchs) not to mention techs required to actually make the ICBM's launch or shells/missiles arm and be delivered. Any one of those people can remove the shit from their brains and have clarity enough to realise, if they launch, we are all dead and nothing will live beyond a few years no matter how deep the bunker.

    We also need to be aware that appeasement of violent regimes has not worked and appears never to have worked. Every time the world has allowed an autocrat/dictator to do something shitty and get away with it, it just emboldens them to try something even shittier. Unfortunately, in this particular instance, the political classes in a significant number of western countries have been thoroughly bribed/enticed/subverted by money from USSRLite to the point where Putler was able to get away with multiple invasions prior to Ukraine due to money being more important to the cunts who were voted in (with significant help from MSM... which just so happens to be owned in large parts by oligarchs) than actually creating a stable world for us all to live in.

    This situation has been a long time coming and our current and former leaders have a shit load to answer for in enabling this crap to happen.

    Edit: Also big ups Lief. You may have fallen off the rails a little a while ago but you certainly have my respect for directly helping those in need. o7

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.


    edit: Work has a "match program" going which ends up with Red Cross (or spread across a couple more). So I've dropped a couple hundred $ to that. And about the same through Swedish Red Cross.
    Missed the clothes drive that my (local) outdoor store had but I'm unfortunately sure there will be more. The good part is that I missed it because it filled up so fast they closed it after 2 days.
    Its really not much but I'll try and contribute to more sources, specific if there are, when they show up and verified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Pretty bold. Pretty wrong, too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war#Etymology
    The term "World War I" was coined by Time magazine on page 28b of its June 12, 1939 issue. In the same article, on page 32, the term "World War II" was first used speculatively to describe the upcoming war. The first use for the actual war came in its issue of September 11, 1939.[6] One week earlier, on September 4, the day after France and the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad used the term on its front page, saying "The Second World War broke out yesterday at 11 a.m."[7]
    6"Grey Friday: TIME Reports on World War II Beginning". TIME. September 11, 1939. < You can read that article in their archive.
    7 "Den anden Verdenskrig udbrød i Gaar Middags Kl. 11", Kristeligt Dagblad, September 4, 1939, Extra edition.
    It doesn't change the fact that the world actually wasn't at war globally when the war broke out in Poland. That you have two publications coining it as such doesn't change that. The only region in Europe that saw any action in terms of territories changing in 1939 was the frontier between Germany and Poland. A million things could have gone differently that would have altered the spiral that eventually led to the war spreading on a global scale, and a million things can still happen that prevents the same thing happening in our time leading this regional conflict going global.

    Prof. Frank Aarebrot had a lecture that was broadcasted some time ago on this very subject, and according to him people (at least here) did not see the war as it broke out in 1939 as a global war but a regional war. Cherry picking google searches doesn't prove me particularly wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    Going there tomorrow again. This is probably gonna be my last week of making runs, since I gotta go work too. I hope as fuck that the situation deescalates, because there's, for obvious reasons, an increasing amount of tension in the air compared to the first time I went - everyone's more nervous, from the border guards and customs officers and the refugees waiting on the border to the police/military on the checkpoints. And nervous people with guns are never a good mix.

    Still haven't managed to have a crash or flat tire, but let me tell you there's some roads in Ukraine that are literal potholes in potholes on potholes. The parts I drive through are in a really sad state even though no war damage was inflicted there at all yet - it looks like the time stopped sometime around 1970 and not during the best of times either. Ukraine needed help and assistance even before this war, and I dread to think how fucked up it's all gonna be even if the war stopped and rebuilding started literally now.

    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!

    God fucking dammit. I can already see that i'll be back to doing this in a month and a half when I'm done with the job. God fucking dammit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lief Siddhe View Post
    And the situation in the Balkans is also heating up. Welcome to resource wars!!!1!
    Bosnia again? I think I remember it right that before Putin started his buildup on Ukraine's borders it was Bosnia vs Serbian separatists that was the expected European flashpoint for 2022.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgur View Post
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    Pretty bold. Pretty wrong, too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war#Etymology
    The term "World War I" was coined by Time magazine on page 28b of its June 12, 1939 issue. In the same article, on page 32, the term "World War II" was first used speculatively to describe the upcoming war. The first use for the actual war came in its issue of September 11, 1939.[6] One week earlier, on September 4, the day after France and the United Kingdom declared war on Germany, the Danish newspaper Kristeligt Dagblad used the term on its front page, saying "The Second World War broke out yesterday at 11 a.m."[7]
    6"Grey Friday: TIME Reports on World War II Beginning". TIME. September 11, 1939. < You can read that article in their archive.
    7 "Den anden Verdenskrig udbrød i Gaar Middags Kl. 11", Kristeligt Dagblad, September 4, 1939, Extra edition.
    It doesn't change the fact that the world actually wasn't at war globally when the war broke out in Poland. That you have two publications coining it as such doesn't change that. The only region in Europe that saw any action in terms of territories changing in 1939 was the frontier between Germany and Poland. A million things could have gone differently that would have altered the spiral that eventually led to the war spreading on a global scale, and a million things can still happen that prevents the same thing happening in our time leading this regional conflict going global.

    Prof. Frank Aarebrot had a lecture that was broadcasted some time ago on this very subject, and according to him people (at least here) did not see the war as it broke out in 1939 as a global war but a regional war. Cherry picking google searches doesn't prove me particularly wrong.
    There was also that stuff happening in Asia during the 30's. China, Korea and other areas were not a great place to be.

    “Good friends in three countries”: Japanese propaganda poster from 1938 promoting the cooperation between Japan, Germany and Italy


    It was enough to get FDR to allow US pilots and crew to quit their jobs in the US military and go do some "freelance" work in China prior to Pearl Harbor.

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