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    Quote Originally Posted by kyrieee View Post
    Well, many serbs still support Milošević too. If Serbia was a great power we'd all be fucked
    Not quite. His policy yes, himself less so.

    Too many still support Greater Serbia or how our current defense minister would say it "Serbian World". (Dear God has Putin informed these muppets about the plans... No wonder USA knew everything in advance)

    But Milošević himself has very few direct supporters, usually the most loyal among the elderly. Many former supporters have rationalized defeats and trauma from the '90es by blaming it all in Milošević, calling him incompetent or a full on CIA plant and traitor.

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    https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...as-2022-03-08/
    Shell pulls out of Russia

    https://www.reuters.com/business/eu-...es-2022-03-08/
    EU to add more sanctions, also targeting Belarus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
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    In a shocking turn of events, this is slightly more complicated than "Putin's lost his mind and wants to rebuild the USSR." There is maybe a logical reason behind trying to take Ukraine.

    The possibility of Ukraine joining NATO and developing its own natural gas industry could wreck the Russian economy, so they need Ukraine as a vassal state in order to be economically secure.

    Obviously they overestimated their own military capabilities, underestimated Ukraine's resistance, and massively underestimated the West's willingness to sanction them into economic oblivion.
    This has been discussed already, he wants his puppet states buffer with NATO if you assume NATO has aggressive tendencies towards Russia - which they fucking don't. When was the last time NATO attacked russian territory? FFS.


    Russia would be economically secure if they gave up their super power pretenses and stopped upholding e.g. a really dumb fleet that does absolutely nothing at all except cost money. They do everything in a submediocre manner and the results can be seen from a mile away. The situation that Russia is in now is exactly because their leadership thinks it's still 1956 and the Cold War is still on and it involves penguins.
    You have you think like them.

    In last 30 years "NATO" invaded Iraq twice, Afghanistan once, bombed Serbs in Yugoslavia multiple times. Also turned Libya into hellscape failed state. Caused and inflamed civil war in Syria. All exclusively USA fault and proof of USA and NATO imperialism and aggression.

    Remember, if someone rebels against a dictator somewhere it's always CIA doing, even when there is no open USA support or intervention.
    I'm afraid that if I think like them I'll end up having a fatal aneurysm as my brain cannot handle that kind of bullshit without vodka and I don't drink.

    All those examples were US, not NATO. Putting "NATO" as a label on any and all US invasions makes this look double dumb to anybody who has >2 neurons and one isn't dying of loneliness.

    At the same time, I just finished watching a 6 hours documentary on Afghanistan and tbh it was a fucking mess, start to finish - started by an administration with ADHD who halfway through the invasion considered it was a good idea to invade Iraq as well because Saddam be nasty (not to mention all the WMD bollocks pushed forwards). At the same time, it gave the more civilized people of that country (Afghanistan) a chance. A chance wasted because the US didn't finish what they started. The orange clown promised to pull out and signed a thingie with the Taliban whilst completely bypassing and leaving out the Afghan government. Means that when Biden actually finished the withdrawal all those civilized afghans (the ones that weren't already assassinated, I mean) found themselved face to face with a bunch of AKs pointed at their heads.

    Cycling back to the original thing, the fact that the US did this and that means absolutely fuck all in the current context of Russia invading Ukraine, bringing war to Europe even before 100 years lapsed from the last World War and it isn't even remotely close to the US bombing serbs in Yugoslavia multiple times. Point is the US currently is NOT involved in any conflict anywhere (at least officially) so Russia found it "nice" to take centre stage with this retardness because world was actually quiet.

    Seriously, fuck that dude.
    Serbia was very much NATO dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dzajic View Post
    Many former supporters have rationalized defeats and trauma from the '90es by blaming it all in Milošević, calling him incompetent or a full on CIA plant and traitor.
    And that is exactly why we don't want anything to happen to Putin himself. Let him cling to his diminishing power all he can!! Anyone else would just restore the make Russia great again narrative free of the shame of an embarrassing defeat in the Ukraine, let russian imperialism be marred by the failure instead. Putin is nothing but a figurehead of the military industries anyway, getting rid of him would only be a loss to the west.
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    In Finland the oil chain Teboil (part of Lukoil) issued a tweet urging people to not call Ukraine a war but a conflict. Did wonders for their PR.

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    This is a decent article on the medium-term implications of the invasion of Ukraine.

    The Tl;dr is that RUS will succeed in invading UKR and installing a puppet regime - although in a much more painful and ugly way than they hoped. If the West doesn't recognize this puppet regime and continues to supply the UKR partisans, then Russia will likely 'escalate to de-escalate' with a 'light' nuclear blast and the whole world will be in a much more dangerous position.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-trajectories

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    Muh oligarch money...All gone...

    What a shit article. There will be no bitter peace on defeated Ukraine. Heading in that trajectory gives us years of Afghanistan in Europe. During which I strongly advise to not use russian metro or attending anything with high density of population and bins in vicinity. Or Vauxhalls. Of all people brits should know it.
    Last edited by rufuske; March 8 2022 at 05:06:30 PM.

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    And USA banned all energy imports from the soviet union. Now we wait and see if the small angry man from soviet union follows through with his ultimatum of cutting off exports if this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    This is a decent article on the medium-term implications of the invasion of Ukraine.

    The Tl;dr is that RUS will succeed in invading UKR and installing a puppet regime - although in a much more painful and ugly way than they hoped. If the West doesn't recognize this puppet regime and continues to supply the UKR partisans, then Russia will likely 'escalate to de-escalate' with a 'light' nuclear blast and the whole world will be in a much more dangerous position.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-trajectories
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    This is a decent article on the medium-term implications of the invasion of Ukraine.

    The Tl;dr is that RUS will succeed in invading UKR and installing a puppet regime - although in a much more painful and ugly way than they hoped. If the West doesn't recognize this puppet regime and continues to supply the UKR partisans, then Russia will likely 'escalate to de-escalate' with a 'light' nuclear blast and the whole world will be in a much more dangerous position.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-trajectories
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    I agree at the alarm, but I think his argument is hard to refute. Assuming Russia eventually 'takes' Ukraine, then there will be an ongoing insurgency. If this insurgency is effective it will be a massive drain on Russian men, equipment and morale. Putin is likely to stop it using any means possible - including a massive escalation. Russia sees tactical nukes as a continuum of escalation from GRADs, to thermobaric, to tactical nukes, to full nukes. The West makes a much clearer distinction between conventional and nuclear. (Ofc, since they would easily win an all-conventional war!)

    The article warns that the road we are on quite likely leads to nuclear escalation.

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    No we are not. Whoever wrote it probably sells iodine pills.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    This is a decent article on the medium-term implications of the invasion of Ukraine.

    The Tl;dr is that RUS will succeed in invading UKR and installing a puppet regime - although in a much more painful and ugly way than they hoped. If the West doesn't recognize this puppet regime and continues to supply the UKR partisans, then Russia will likely 'escalate to de-escalate' with a 'light' nuclear blast and the whole world will be in a much more dangerous position.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-trajectories
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Someone heavily invested in russian companies. Ladies and gentlemen, what's left of russian money and propaganda machine at work.

    Quote Originally Posted by duckduck View Post
    I agree at the alarm, but I think his argument is hard to refute. Assuming Russia eventually 'takes' Ukraine, then there will be an ongoing insurgency. If this insurgency is effective it will be a massive drain on Russian men, equipment and morale. Putin is likely to stop it using any means possible - including a massive escalation. Russia sees tactical nukes as a continuum of escalation from GRADs, to thermobaric, to tactical nukes, to full nukes. The West makes a much clearer distinction between conventional and nuclear. (Ofc, since they would easily win an all-conventional war!)

    The article warns that the road we are on quite likely leads to nuclear escalation.

    The road we are on currently leads in exactly opposite direction. At the cost of huge losses for anyone invested in russia. Who wants to take a guess which city bank has the most russian CDS on the ledger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lallante View Post
    Serbia was very much NATO dude.
    Yes, fair enough.

    Let's not forget that they actually had evidence of ethnic cleansings and genocide, unlike mr P who doesn't. There's a whole debacle of discussions, but at the end of the day Yugoslavia was a terrible moment in time which doesn't justify having another terrible moment in time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.
    Not by any established definition. If after seeing what has been happening last 2 weeks and how easily Russia advances in Ukraine, anyone thinks at the moment they have means and economy to sustain any kind of military power in rest of Europe, they're delusional.

    All of that can of course change if by some tragic turn of events Ukraine is forced to fold and Russia is given few years and steady stream of currency for oil/gas etc to rebuild. If that happens I strongly suggest migrating out of Europe. Because when they come back for vengeance, that's how WW3 will start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rufuske View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    "A light nuclear blast"? If anything nuclear goes off we will not be in a "much more dangerous situation". We will be in WW3 and "the zone" will become an actual fucking thing! What idiot approved that article.
    Was talking to a friend the other day and I agree with his statement that WW3 already started though, but a lot of people have issues accepting it.
    Not by any established definition. If after seeing what has been happening last 2 weeks and how easily Russia advances in Ukraine, anyone thinks at the moment they have means and economy to sustain any kind of military power in rest of Europe, they're delusional.

    All of that can of course change if by some tragic turn of events Ukraine is forced to fold and Russia is given few years and steady stream of currency for oil/gas etc to rebuild. If that happens I strongly suggest migrating out of Europe. Because when they come back for vengeance, that's how WW3 will start.
    People in WW1 and WW2 were in denial even after Poland got invaded, go figure

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    The authorities of the Republic of Poland, after consultations between the President and the Goverment, are ready to deploy – immediately and free of charge – all their MIG-29 jets to the Ramstein Air Base and place them at the disposal of the Government of the United States of America.
    https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/sta...nes-to-ukraine

    Hehehe, well played polish MFA, well played...

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    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    Given their exemplary record with Castro...
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    And btw, you're such a fucking asshole it genuinely amazes me on a regular basis how you manage to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malcanis View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by erichkknaar View Post
    If the CIA are such a boogeyman and that good at regime change, maybe we should let them arrange a tea drinking accident for Putler.
    Given their exemplary record with Castro...
    Indeed…
    meh

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