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    Quote Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize View Post
    First question: Why Domination MAR when meta4's as crap?

    2nd is, why not 1600mm? Cap stability from m injector? Because else it seems to be half the buffer and ~1/4 less rep. Same speed, dps.

    [Zealot, garmon's 1600 mar? no links]

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

    Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

    Armor Kinetic Hardener II
    Heat Sink II
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
    Heat Sink II
    Medium Armor Repairer II

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Energy Burst Aerator II


    And has anyone tried this/listened to his reasoning in that EIE vid about the kinetic resist, and then made a similar Deimos that works? Because that can be far more stable and more ehp, just lol blasters or rails range & tracking.
    Yeah I was wondering about the Kinetic myself, what was the thread you were talking about, do you have a link for it at all? Is it because its a common damage type?
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmZ90qoRzk
    17:20 for ~2mins, why a kiting cruiser works with that resist profile in the current meta.
    That and the bit about using so much cap MWDing just screams Gal HAC, unless that's too obvious or just can't project dps while kiting like a Zealot. Medium rails are so fucking bad.

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    Yeah, i think your biggest problem there is the range the gal hacks prefer. I think you would need prom's approach to cruiser combat with those, in that you go in for a brawl. That does change the horizon in terms of what fights you can go for tho, I wouldn't fancy taking on the gang that you linked in the video using a brawler.
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    And has anyone tried this/listened to his reasoning in that EIE vid about the kinetic resist, and then made a similar Deimos that works? Because that can be far more stable and more ehp, just lol blasters or rails range & tracking.
    had a look at it, the deimos having 270pg less (lol) and -1 low (in exchange for a useless high in this configuration) killed it. you can get a lower dps, lower tank, lower range version with d150mm rails... yay.

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    [Zealot, New Setup 1]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Damage Control II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Capacitor Power Relay II

    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Large Shield Extender II
    Warp Disruptor II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II

    How mine looks like atm. Why take it over nomen? Well it has actual dps and not the drone reliant garbage the navy omen has and its way way cooler. (it however is much worse, nomen gets speed/agility and tank over this and is cheaper and thus generally better)

    [Zealot, armor kite]
    Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Internal Force Field Array I
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

    Armor one, here you gain dps and tank over absurd agility/speed. Nomen still better but less so.


    Zealot, stiill a okish hac but for solo small scale use a nomen unless you are cool.
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    For heavy kiting gang (TL or .EXO. style):

    Code:
    [Zealot, Beams AAR]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
    Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Damage Control II
    
    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Warp Disruptor II
    
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    
    Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x5
    Imperial Navy Xray M x5
    Imperial Navy Standard M x5
    Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x5
    Imperial Navy Radio M x5
    Aurora M x5
    Gleam M x5
    Navy Cap Booster 400 x30
    Nanite Repair Paste x200
    Basically a Raildeimos with instant ammo-switch, less cap, a bit less tank and no web.
    Shooting and actually hitting frigates starting from 90k is fun though.

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    Isn't the new Devoter almost a strictly better version of this ship now? It has almost the same fitting remaining with the focused point fitted as a completely unfitted Zealot, and 5 lights are worth about the same amount of DPS as the RoF bonus. Then you get an armor bonus, extra fitting slot, and 36km point pretty much for free.

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    Drone DPS doesn't apply instantly or reliably, but I haven't EFTed the Devoter so you may not be wrong.

    Since this thread did get bumped this is actually one of my favourite small gang ships in the game, trioing this with two PODLA Drakes back in the day made for some of my most memorable fights.

    [Zealot, Shield Antisupport]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Damage Control II

    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster II

    These days you might want a second Nano isntead of a Heatsink, but I would imagine its still a pretty decent Anti-Support ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharptoast View Post
    Drone DPS doesn't apply instantly or reliably, but I haven't EFTed the Devoter so you may not be wrong.

    Since this thread did get bumped this is actually one of my favourite small gang ships in the game, trioing this with two PODLA Drakes back in the day made for some of my most memorable fights.

    [Zealot, Shield Antisupport]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Damage Control II

    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Large Shield Extender II
    Large Shield Extender II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster II

    These days you might want a second Nano isntead of a Heatsink, but I would imagine its still a pretty decent Anti-Support ship.
    Except you can't kite at all

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    Favourite small gang ship where I contribute nothing to the gang except damage.

    I bet your small gang loves you.

    "Why did he warp off?"
    "Don't look at me I don't have any ewar mods at all. Not my fault bro!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikokoel View Post
    For heavy kiting gang (TL or .EXO. style):

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    [Zealot, Beams AAR]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
    Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Damage Control II
    
    Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
    Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Warp Disruptor II
    
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    
    Medium Ancillary Current Router II
    Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
    
    Imperial Navy Multifrequency M x5
    Imperial Navy Xray M x5
    Imperial Navy Standard M x5
    Imperial Navy Ultraviolet M x5
    Imperial Navy Radio M x5
    Aurora M x5
    Gleam M x5
    Navy Cap Booster 400 x30
    Nanite Repair Paste x200
    Basically a Raildeimos with instant ammo-switch, less cap, a bit less tank and no web.
    Shooting and actually hitting frigates starting from 90k is fun though.
    For like 5 months in the internal it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    Favourite small gang ship where I contribute nothing to the gang except damage.

    I bet your small gang loves you.

    "Why did he warp off?"
    "Don't look at me I don't have any ewar mods at all. Not my fault bro!"

    Uh, same with the Oracle. And people have been using it with great success.
    The fleet just have to be aware of the limitations.
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    I have a similar one from yonks ago but I use a single LSE and long point cause you should always be far enough away that you can warp and if you're scrammed then that extra LSE of HP probably isn't gonna save you.

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    hmm, i like dual LSE more.

    You kite against 20+ dudes, a few nados/nagas/ishtars are on grid and you react too slow, poof

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    O DEAD SPIRITS, I SUMMON THEE!

    Brief explanation of why I chose Zealot - I can only use lasers at cruiser size, and I can't use Phantasm (Cal cruiser isn't V and I refuse to fly it without command V) and similarly I can't/won't use BCs due to FW plex and SP limitations. I wanted a durable cruiser that I can take out in a small gang and apply good DPS wherever it needs to be. Zealot seems to be working well here because you can hit kiting ships harder than they hit you (usually) and you also get nearly blaster levels of DPS with Conflagration M, and its capacitor is good enough that a cap booster isn't mandatory unlike with t1/faction hulls.


    [Zealot, Brawl Pulse]

    Damage Control II
    Federation Navy 800mm Steel Plates
    Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Corpii A-Type Thermal Plating
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II

    50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
    Stasis Webifier II
    Warp Scrambler II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
    Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II


    Conflagration M x5
    Scorch M x5
    Imperial Navy Standard M x5
    Imperial Navy Radio M x5
    Nanite Repair Paste x100

    33k EHP, +385 ehp/s with heated rep up to 23.5k before reload
    568 conflag dps to 11.8+6km
    509 IN multi to same range
    339 IN standard to 23.6+6km
    406 scorch dps to 33.1+6km
    212 IN radio to 37.8+6km

    EDIT: 1624m/s cold, 9.45s align using mwd
    6.86s align without prop mod on

    Running everything you get ~1 minute of capacitor, but you are stable if you turn off either the rep or the MWD.
    Last edited by Kibitt; May 23 2017 at 11:27:09 PM.

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    I think you'd be better off with even a small cap booster for the web, and a Long point instead of scram. Tracking, optimal, or tank rigs
    Actually an '06.

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    Also if you're inexpirienced dont try to come up with a fit by yourself for what is currently one of the shittiest HACs (yours is trash for multiple reasons, main ones being CCC rigs and lack of cap booster)
    Its gonna feel bad.

    Just use a standard NOmen, its cheaper too.

    Lose a couple, understand how it flies, then decide if you want to try the Zealot. In a small gang setting its basically a slow fat expensive NOmen without drones and with a tad more deeps and tank, hence why noone really flies it.

    If really brawling is all you want, do something like this:

    [Zealot, brawl]

    Imperial Navy 1600mm Steel Plates
    Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Shadow Serpentis Armor Thermal Hardener
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Damage Control II

    50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
    Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
    Warp Scrambler II

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

    Medium Energy Burst Aerator II
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
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    Quote Originally Posted by n0th View Post
    Lose a couple, understand how it flies, then decide if you want to try the Zealot. In a small gang setting its basically a slow fat expensive NOmen without drones and with a tad more deeps and tank, hence why noone really flies it.
    If "a tad more" means twice the tank, and +38% laser dps without waiting for drone application, then I'll give that to you. ONI are too thin and weak to fill the role I want. I think that the rigs/mids are questionable but beyond that it's good.

    My choice in fitting supports weapon uptime as opposed to MWD/rep uptime. You only need a burst in capacitor when capped out if you want to run the MWD/rep, but it takes 3-6 GJ to cycle a weapon which is easily supported by having a good recharge rate. This frees up a midslot for utility that people normally whine about. The thing is, having cap booster's 24s cycle+reload to shoot is awful unless your goal is to get in a rep+mwd cycle before the neuts cycle again. You will waste most of those GJ when you could have just fit for more regen and kept shooting. I know because I've tested it personally, but I need to set up a recording at some point to really nit pick its performance.

    I'm still experimenting with the fit, which is why I've posted it here - to see recommendations for what the rigs/mids could look like

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    ONIs are best as beam boats anyway.



    That said, that's also how I fly my zealots
    Actually an '06.

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