I used a frigate killing setup the other day. Got me a navy slicer who said after that even though he died it was a pretty cowardly move considering I was in a T2 cruiser vs. his T1 ship and that next time I should bring a T1 frigate if I want a real man's fight. :/
I have success with the 1600 mwd cap injected version.
...posted from a potato.
Nope.Originally Posted by Daneel Trevize
[Oneiros, Solo support]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Magnetometric Backup Array II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Large Shield Extender II
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hornet EC-300 x5
Warrior II x5
With standard mindflood just pulse the mwd or use the 4th rep only when needed to manage cap. Nearly 39k EHP, 1772m/s (2,514m/s OH). Sensor strength can be a bit weak at 29.6 but I figure no one ever brings Gallente jammers, plus we generally fly with a sensor strength infolink when we can these days due to widespread faggotry. Has a bit of an EM hole but if you switch to a T2 CCC and stick a T2 resist rig in you can close that up a bit and not be much worse off for cap.
The point on Logis is great for my use. I roll with <20 man gangs, and everybody having a point is very important. The gun was just for killmails.
I've decided though that for what I'm doing, the Oneiros doesn't really make sense. At least not armor fit. For now I'm scrapping the idea of the Oneiros and going with a Proteus (not logi).
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
Similarly
[Oneiros, SARs?!]
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corpii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Valkyrie II x5
[Oneiros, Shield Oneiros]
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
EM Ward Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Large 'Solace' Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
This thing has like no buffer, but...
1772 m/s
3.5 mins cap life
814 DPS tank (1234 DPS with hardeners/ASB OH'ed)
I love how good these ASB's are. This out tanks a dual-MAR cap-injected Oneiros. lawl
Last edited by StevieTopSiders; July 9 2012 at 03:08:02 PM.
Only until it reloads.
Ask entrox how that worked for him.
Those CDFEs add nothing since you lack an LSE. Together, those CDFEs are giving you 516 shield buffer, not even one boost cycle's worth. You loose about 1000 EHP but gain a lot of tank by switching to resist rigs.
In another glorious installment of dual ASBs on everything.
Spoiler:
400 DPS tanked on one LASB. Cap stable running just the reps and invuln, 8minutes and 40 seconds running the MWD and reps. Stable at 43% running the MWD and two reps. If you've got a hardon for being cap stable with ALL THE THINGS, then drop the DCII for another CPR or add some pimp and make your 4 CPRs faction(doesn't cost too much more). Was really debating on the rigs, but a CDFE doesn't add much(240 shield) since it doesn't have an LSE, and you've already got at least enough buffer to boost. I did however, seriously consider just one EM Screen and the other being a remote repair augmentor. It makes you cap stable with everything on, and only decreases tank by 30. Really racking myself on this one as I am seriously considering flying this.
400 dps tanked is basically nothing. LASB is (generally) worthless because the time to LSE equivalent is unrealistically long (and therefore unrealistically low dps)
The XLASB tends to hit LSE equivalency fairly quickly where the LASB does not. LASB is good on a couple of ships like the Eagle due to high native resists where the amount of tank you're getting is actually fairly high in terms of dps / second.
I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.
When fitting a single ASB it makes perfect sense to compare it to a LSE, but when comparing to two ASBs it makes more sense to compare it to an active tank. When comparing to any of the active tank fits I've ever seen, you're talking about 150 DPS tanked. Two LASBs more than doubles that, maintaining decent EHP. Yes, 400 DPS is basically nothing in a sizable gang, but in extremely small engagements 400 DPS tanked can make or break a team.
That said, if you're utterly convinced that the only way to move forward is an XLASB, here:
Spoiler:
650 DPS tanked on one booster but you'll have to let yourself get stupid low then boost, requires a 2% PG implant. Costs about 500m. Carry some standard mindflood. None of the possible side effects matter to you, so pop it and be stable at 29% running your reps.
I'd call that dual ASB fit well worth trying with some tweaks (rep rig to drop one or more cap mods for a nanofiber and less boost penalty).
400 DPS sustained tank is definitely significant on an MWD capable logi
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
AFAIK, ASBs aren't affected by CPRs.
So I had to go check this one out because I'd heard that they do and that they don't. Turns out CPRs do hurt ASBs, so I went looking for a different lowslot set to keep the same basic stats without loosing the cap stability. I came up with this:AFAIK, ASBs aren't affected by CPRs.
Spoiler:
Can't run the MWD and all three reps, but you can run the MWD+2 reps. Obviously a bit more expensive due to the loss of CPRs.
A couple of meta-4 capacitor flux coils would allow you to downgrade to PDS II.
Contract stuff to Seraphina Amaranth.
"You give me the awful impression - I hate to have to say - of someone who hasn't read any of the arguments against your position. Ever."
Yeah, I think a mix of Flux Coils and PDU are the way forward for ASB Oneiros
Actually an '06.
EVE: OrangeAfroMan
Dust514: Andrelommech
MWO: Northern Nomad
Looked at the Flux Coils, really wanted to use them, but somehow felt it was too derp to use. Also, the ship is already tight on PG, can't work a CFC in.
I don't like those ASB setups at all - no ECCM or means to counter ECM drone spam, and meta 4 reps to boot. It also doesn't gain any benefit from armor links if you're running those (and you'd presumably want to for the rest of your gang's sake). If you want an active oneiros, I'd far rather run something like this:
[Oneiros, Single MAR - injected]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Imperial Navy Small EMP Smartbomb
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I
edit - if you prefer setups that run off cap regen rather than boosters, could run something like this:
[Oneiros, Single MAR - cap regen]
Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
Corpii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Large Remote Armor Repair System II
Imperial Navy Small EMP Smartbomb
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Assuming your gang is running with a legion booster, they both tank 395 dps before heat and have 29k EHP. They also rep 10% harder than the ASB setups and have much better falcon/ec-300 resistance.
Last edited by Tsubutai; July 15 2012 at 06:57:17 AM.
Let's start a party of our own
There is a lack of an answer to ecm, but what's your local tank?
Let's start a party of our own
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