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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
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    Felt a bit fan-servicey, but then the series has been heavy on that so far. I still enjoyed it.

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    I get the vibe Burnham would rather stay and take her chances in the mirror universe
    My immediate thinking was...
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    The Lorca on the Discovery stems originally from the Mirror Universe and somehow swapped sides with the other Lorca, given his "Let's kill all Klingons" approach. And because he seemed to know the Spore drive "address" of the Mirror Universe. And the Lorca in the Mirror Universe is the "good guy" there, trying to lead a rebellion against the emperor.


    It was a good start into the second half of the season. Which made me wonder: will the rest of STISCO be set in the MU - showing their long way back (similar to ST:VOY) and that this is the main overall plot arch. Or is that just a 2-3 episode plot and the Federation-Klingon war will be it?

    Oh, and ...
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    ... what do we make of Tyler now? Is he a Klingon who L'Rell bio/gen-engineered into a human. Or is he a human who she gen-/mind-manipulated into some kind of Manchurian candidate?

    "The enemy is here!" ;-)
    I hope the former. that would be gloriously silly. And very star trek.

    Something similar was a major plotline on Voyager if you remember.


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    I was grinning from ear to ear through most of the episode. Excellent sci fi.

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    Frakes saved the day so it seems.

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    ... what do we make of Tyler now? Is he a Klingon who L'Rell bio/gen-engineered into a human. Or is he a human who she gen-/mind-manipulated into some kind of Manchurian candidate?


    he's the albino klingon from earlier in the season isn't he? she rescued him when he was abandoned on the shenzu or whatever and she said something along the lines of you'll have to lose everything to win kind assumed it was obvious
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    Quote Originally Posted by hinch View Post
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    ... what do we make of Tyler now? Is he a Klingon who L'Rell bio/gen-engineered into a human. Or is he a human who she gen-/mind-manipulated into some kind of Manchurian candidate?


    he's the albino klingon from earlier in the season isn't he? she rescued him when he was abandoned on the shenzu or whatever and she said something along the lines of you'll have to lose everything to win kind assumed it was obvious
    We don't know that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hinch View Post
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    ... what do we make of Tyler now? Is he a Klingon who L'Rell bio/gen-engineered into a human. Or is he a human who she gen-/mind-manipulated into some kind of Manchurian candidate?


    he's the albino klingon from earlier in the season isn't he? she rescued him when he was abandoned on the shenzu or whatever and she said something along the lines of you'll have to lose everything to win kind assumed it was obvious
    We don't know that.
    Yeah,

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    Tyler = Voq


    has been a fan theory since Tyler appeared and this very much seems to confirm it.

    Whole series so far has been all plot and no writing.
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    When Tyler turned up it was repeatedly said that'd he'd been subject to some fairly intense scrutiny when he joined the ship, so the whole 'oh sorry, turns out you've had every bone in your body systematically broken and rebuilt, dunno how we missed that one' thing was awful. Top that with the Doc telling Tyler he knows he's someone else while in the room with only Tyler and a semi-comatose patient and the nonsense is off the scale.


    I saw online that the gay community was outraged at that particular
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    If I were them I'd be more annoyed at him being depicted as such a colossal idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    I saw online that the gay community was outraged at that particular
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    death.
    If I were them I'd be more annoyed at him being depicted as such a colossal idiot.
    I'm pretty sure ...
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    ... that the Doc's not really dead (=removed from the series), but that he reoccurs when the Discovery makes it back to the main/real/their universe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    I saw online that the gay community was outraged at that particular
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    death.
    If I were them I'd be more annoyed at him being depicted as such a colossal idiot.
    I'm pretty sure ...
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    ... that the Doc's not really dead (=removed from the series), but that he reoccurs when the Discovery makes it back to the main/real/their universe.
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    MU Doc would be fun


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    Watched this today and it's bonkers good.

    Shame on Netflix not allowing us to binge this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmin View Post
    Watched this today and it's bonkers good.

    Shame on Netflix not allowing us to binge this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Appleby View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hinch View Post
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    ... what do we make of Tyler now? Is he a Klingon who L'Rell bio/gen-engineered into a human. Or is he a human who she gen-/mind-manipulated into some kind of Manchurian candidate?


    he's the albino klingon from earlier in the season isn't he? she rescued him when he was abandoned on the shenzu or whatever and she said something along the lines of you'll have to lose everything to win kind assumed it was obvious
    We don't know that.
    It's pretty obvious from the voice when they're having their little prayer in the brig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    I saw online that the gay community was outraged at that particular
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    death.
    If I were them I'd be more annoyed at him being depicted as such a colossal idiot.
    I'm pretty sure ...
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    ... that the Doc's not really dead (=removed from the series), but that he reoccurs when the Discovery makes it back to the main/real/their universe.
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    MU Doc would be fun
    Now that you mention it ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hel OWeen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Saul View Post
    I saw online that the gay community was outraged at that particular
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    death.
    If I were them I'd be more annoyed at him being depicted as such a colossal idiot.
    I'm pretty sure ...
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    ... that the Doc's not really dead (=removed from the series), but that he reoccurs when the Discovery makes it back to the main/real/their universe.
    Yeah I read an interview in which he is claimed to have said this is 'the best thing he's ever done' or words to that effect. Nothing we've seen so far is all that special so he must be around for a bit yet.

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    I was excited and it took less than 5 min of dialog and bad editing to remember this could have been made sooo much better.
    Awful, but still enjoyable awful.

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    Agreed we are watching inside the mind of a "klingon" though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lowa [NSN] View Post
    I was excited and it took less than 5 min of dialog and bad editing to remember this could have been made sooo much better.
    Awful, but still enjoyable awful.

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    Agreed we are watching inside the mind of a "klingon" though
    Did you watch something else?
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    Well. You know maybe the dialogue is a bit middling in places like that conversation about fate they have? I know that's there because the presence of the mirror universe makes it so that you kind of have to have some questions about determinism and such like and they probably could have done that a bit better I guess there are numerous ways where you could have "better" editing but that really is nitpicky, especially to say that the episode was awful because of it.

    Maybe that's not what Lowa meant. Honestly some benefit of the doubt really would not go amiss in any of you people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradox View Post
    Well. You know maybe the dialogue is a bit middling in places like that conversation about fate they have? I know that's there because the presence of the mirror universe makes it so that you kind of have to have some questions about determinism and such like and they probably could have done that a bit better I guess there are numerous ways where you could have "better" editing but that really is nitpicky, especially to say that the episode was awful because of it.

    Maybe that's not what Lowa meant. Honestly some benefit of the doubt really would not go amiss in any of you people.
    It's not perfect and certainly not the best television ever, nor Trek. But it certainly isn't what I'd call awful either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
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    There's a legitimately bad episode


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoffl View Post
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    The best way to enjoy this episode (for german speaking people):

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