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    [PVP] Harbinger

    Meds are adjustable to fit gang composition and personal taste, again haven't used one for a long time but it shouldn't have changed too much, I can foresee it having trouble dictating range if the oponent is using a shield cane or some other common thing and the super duper drake will give it trouble but I've seen people put it to great effect at times. So yea comment away

    [Harbinger, armor low sec harbi]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Adaptive Nano Plating II

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption
    Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


    Hammerhead II x5
    Putin 2012

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    Re: Harbinger

    [Harbinger, Illuminate]
    Damage Control II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Warp Disruptor II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Valkyrie II x5

    This fit will absolutely destroy a shield Hurricane, since most of them are silly and like to try and keep range on you. Just overheat the MWD before he does and close in when he's at half shields - never been capped out by a shield Hurricane.

    Can downgrade the DC II in order to fit on a small neut, although this requires pretty much maxed out fitting skills and I found I never really needed the neut when I fly it, although some people like to have one there.

    For drones, use either Valkyries or the EC-300/Warrior combo, but I don't like having to swap drone flights depending on the situation so I stick with Valkyries for the explosive damage vs Minmatar T2.

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    Re: Harbinger

    [Harbinger, with smartbomb]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Damage Control II

    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Medium YF-12a Smartbomb

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


    Valkyrie II x5

    Armor harb with a smartbomb for those ecm drones.

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    Re: Harbinger

    Its pretty simple to fit up so i wont post the whole fit, but I personally really like a plate/rep setup on the harb, and its pretty easy on fittings with FMP's.

    e: and to the top two posters......I really dont like the idea of a harb without an injector =/

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    Re: Harbinger

    [Harbinger, New Setup 1]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
    Damage Control II
    Fourier Transform I Tracking Program
    Fourier Transform I Tracking Program

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Large Shield Extender II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I

    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
    Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I


    Hobgoblin II x5
    Hornet EC-300 x5

    my close range slap the living piss out of you harb

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    Re: Harbinger

    Posting to point out that you can also fit a triple SeBo / armor ganglink harbi in an armor BC gang for a pretty effective increase in EHP.
    I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.

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    Re: Harbinger

    I fly the shield/nano Harb in gangs, this for running around solo on occasion:

    [Harbinger, Arc Hammer 454/7/912/73K]
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    Warp Disruptor II

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Medium Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


    Vespa EC-600 x5

    73K EHP, dual webs for anything close, switch to Scorch for whatever tries to distance themselves, ECM drones and neut for smartie-pants tacklers and GTFO ability.
    "Wanna ride in my spaceship, Chloe?"


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    Re: Harbinger

    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Kim Cho > Hey cool, there's a cynosural fi... OH FUCK!

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    Re: Harbinger

    [Harbinger, lowsec]
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Heat Sink II

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Stasis Webifier II

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

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    Re: Harbinger

    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Dualrep fit, no. Some people (as above) fit plate+rep...it might be better for soloing
    I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.

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    Re: Harbinger

    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros
    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Dualrep fit, no. Some people (as above) fit plate+rep...it might be better for soloing
    When I was a little boy, I was told fitting buffer AND active tank is bad, "mkaaay?"
    Kim Cho > Hey cool, there's a cynosural fi... OH FUCK!

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    Re: Harbinger

    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros
    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Dualrep fit, no. Some people (as above) fit plate+rep...it might be better for soloing
    When I was a little boy, I was told fitting buffer AND active tank is bad, "mkaaay?"
    Not if you are solo but you have to be smart about it (plate and rep is okay, 2 plates and a rep and you're prob doing it wrong)

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    Re: Harbinger

    http://neckbeards.whispous.com/?a=ki...ted&kll_id=248

    Two thorax and Sacri attacked my Harbinger. Ate them all, I was dual rep no plate no rigs

    But yea it's a bad fit, I woulda keeled them as well with a plate, but it did make for epic fraps

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    Re: Harbinger

    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrus Tenebros
    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Dualrep fit, no. Some people (as above) fit plate+rep...it might be better for soloing
    When I was a little boy, I was told fitting buffer AND active tank is bad, "mkaaay?"
    When I was a little boy I was told I couldn't subtract bigger numbers from smaller numbers. Years later they said they then became negative numbers when you did that.


    Point being you should tell noobs not to do that but as mentioned, good pilots in solo fits who can manage their shit can sometimes find reason to do so.
    I tried to be cool and all I got was a lousy warning about my sig being too big.

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    Re: Harbinger

    [quote=Tyrus Tenebros]
    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    Quote Originally Posted by "Tyrus Tenebros":1r5wzmcc
    Quote Originally Posted by KimCho
    I guess there's no point in active tanking a Harby, right? :/
    Dualrep fit, no. Some people (as above) fit plate+rep...it might be better for soloing
    When I was a little boy, I was told fitting buffer AND active tank is bad, "mkaaay?"
    When I was a little boy I was told I couldn't subtract bigger numbers from smaller numbers. Years later they said they then became negative numbers when you did that.


    Point being you should tell noobs not to do that but as mentioned, good pilots in solo fits who can manage their shit can sometimes find reason to do so.[/quote:1r5wzmcc]

    Best. Analogy. Ever.
    Kim Cho > Hey cool, there's a cynosural fi... OH FUCK!

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    Re: Harbinger

    [Harbinger, shieldgank]
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II
    Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
    Large Shield Extender II
    Warp Disruptor II

    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


    Vespa II x5

    This is my (old, as in pre nanonerf) shieldgank fit. With the boost of TEs, I think I'ma try the above fit with 2x TE II and dropping a 'sink. However, this was potent then, and is potent now. 611/682 scorch, 731/820 AN MF. Vespas because I dunno, Lazors don't do kinetic? Ah, moar dps than Valks, right, and deeps are life.
    I consider myself to be a sovereign space holding entity, however the simple fact is that my sphere of influence rarely if ever extends beyond the optimal+falloff*2 of my ship's turrets.

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    Re: Harbinger

    Quote Originally Posted by zangorus
    [Harbinger, lowsec]
    Damage Control II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Heat Sink II

    10MN MicroWarpdrive II
    Warp Disruptor II
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
    Stasis Webifier II

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    I don't understand where the cpu goes, you should be able to swap an adaptive for a heatsink or eanm with low fitting skills.

    [Harbinger, pvp rep balance]
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Medium Armor Repairer II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    Damage Control II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    Stasis Webifier II
    Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
    Small Energy Neutralizer II

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

    Vepsa II x 5


    Conflag almost feels like a direct boost to this ship as most of the time it's fighting other battlecruisers that are armor tanked (helps that more of the distribution is therm), the cap booster eats the cap usage increase while running the repper np, and tracking doesn't feel like an issue in most fights between BC's.

    Armor repper on a plate harb can overheat for the entire fight for most fights.
    I've never seen the small neut make a difference but there are very few things to swap it for.


    EDIT:
    An attempt to copy a drake. Goal was 100kehp with 500dps+ Obviously shield> armor for buffer and the range doesn't compare to missiles. Losing medium drones damage under a gate is also more harmful than losing lights, speed takes a great hit etc. However considering that most fits posted here are around 60kehp it makes for a surprise and mainly loses speed rather than damage.

    I also wanted an excuse to use QLB's with the new graphics.

    Got 99.9k ehp w/o slaves, 531dps, speed is terrible and range is 6k/22k for inmf/aurora

    [Harbinger, DAREK]
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
    Damage Control II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Heat Sink II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Warp Disruptor II
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
    X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Quad Light Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    [empty high slot]

    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
    Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


    Hammerhead II x5

    Aurora is a poor man's scorch, shoots to 22k with greater tracking issues. INMF also out performs gleam, the dps is maybe 7 total for all the drawbacks. The tracking on QLB lasers is only slightly less than FMP. You'll get under 400dps without drones so while ecm's are perferable if your baiting or losing them under gate guns you take a big hit.

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    Bit of a bump for the Harb. We run lots of small to medium lowsec BC roams (10-50 pilots). We find in general, its best to keep the BCs medium range, and allow them to do DPS outside of web and scram range. I am looking at ideas for Harb fits for such fleets. Some of the Scorch HPL fits here look really nice, with respectable DPS out to 30km. However, the DPS drops off pretty quickly after that, and in larger fights 30km might be a bit too close to the action for what is still a relatively fragile ship. What about a HBL setup such as this:

    [Harbinger, HBL shields]
    Damage Control II
    Heat Sink II
    Heat Sink II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Tracking Enhancer II
    Nanofiber Internal Structure II

    Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
    Large Shield Extender II
    Invulnerability Field II
    Sensor Booster II

    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
    Auto Targeting System I

    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

    The auto targetter (for extra locks) and SeBo are less than idea, but there isn't much room left CPU wise and I don't think it's worth using meta mods to fit a tackle/ewar mod in the mids. DPS is still pretty good, 460 or so with max skills, no drones and multifrequency. DPS @ 30km is about the same as the Scorch HPL setup, and the Beams can obviously hit out to a lot further - if needed.

    Any thoughts or suggestions?

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    The fit above is trying to be an arty cane, and it really can't do that job unfortunately

    If I were to fly the harby, it would be up to 20km and no more tbh

    Sorry I am not being very constructive though, just frustrated with this ship

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    Harbinger is best at facemelt range.

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