Minimum Warp range to 250km?

[Ophichius]

This isn't so much a 'fix this problem' suggestion as collecting opinions/ideas. Right now ubiquitous, fast probes make fighting over 150km entirely irrelevant, and even fighting near 150km is largely pointless. Pushing the minimum warp range out to 250-350km would open up more options for extreme range fits, but I don't really have enough experience with the old days of 200km+ sniper fleets to judge if making extreme range viable again would be good or bad for the game.

What do you folks think?

-O

[Redclaws]

Yup, go even larger to 1000km (no more on grid warping), enlarge grids and remove the 250km target limit as well while you're at it.

[Lallante]

Yup, go even larger to 1000km (no more on grid warping), enlarge grids and remove the 250km target limit as well while you're at it.

That would be a great expansion-binding change

[Ophichius]

Just to add some fodder, apparently BL found a way around the issue with Slippery Pete fleets.



Clever, though incredibly vulnerable to a real sniper fleet (Which, in turn, is incredibly vulnerable to brawler fleets.)

-O

[Lallante]

Just to add some fodder, apparently BL found a way around the issue with Slippery Pete fleets.


Clever, though incredibly vulnerable to a real sniper fleet (Which, in turn, is incredibly vulnerable to brawler fleets.)

-O

I cant be the only one who finds it incredibly annoying when people use "comedy" fleet names rather than something actually descriptive. I cant watch the video, what kind of fleet is this?

[Ophichius]

Just to add some fodder, apparently BL found a way around the issue with Slippery Pete fleets.


Clever, though incredibly vulnerable to a real sniper fleet (Which, in turn, is incredibly vulnerable to brawler fleets.)

-O

I cant be the only one who finds it incredibly annoying when people use "comedy" fleet names rather than something actually descriptive. I cant watch the video, what kind of fleet is this?

"Unprobeable interdiction nullifier rail sniper Tengu fleet" is a bit of a mouthful.

They look like this:

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[Tengu, Slippery Pete]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M
250mm Railgun II, Spike M

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

336 DPS/1k Alpha @ 207+25, lock to 206 with fleet bonuses. Can't be bubbled, require perfect probing (covops, rigs, max skills, virtue set, hardwire, strength booster, faction launcher + probes) to probe down.

-O

[Shin_getter]

edit: GRRR CROSSPOSTED
edit2: finally, a purpose for range bonused target painters LOL

[Tengu, Kenndo's Tengu]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Sensor Booster II,Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II,Tracking Speed Script

250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M
250mm Railgun II,Spike M

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

[Marlona Sky]

BL never uses those Tengus if there is actually a fleet that can hit them from that far. Sure there is ways to 'deal with them', but if those ways are present, the Slippery Petes are not even undocked.

[StevieTopSiders]

BL never uses those Tengus if there is actually a fleet that can hit them from that far. Sure there is ways to 'deal with them', but if those ways are present, the Slippery Petes are not even undocked.

Wait, you mean BL is taking advantage of the rock-paper-scissors meta???

[Alain Colcer]

If MJDs allow a 100km straight "warp" every 3 minutes, i would say 300km as the minimum warp distance should be a balanced option, but keep the cap targeting limit at 250km.

That would allow some level of "tactical" positioning using MJDs, warp in points and MWD to maintain superiority.