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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandzibar View Post
    Yeah I guess. I tend to make lots of whey/oats/pbutter/dash of honey snack bars as a healthier pudding option when not trying to lose fat. And avoid sweets totally when I am.

    Sweet tooth is a bugger to deal with. Might try Keto but I suspect it will be hardmode.
    It can be tricky at first but only in the sense that it takes time to find enough variety in a keto diet without dying of boredom from the same few meals over and over. But it's damned effective, and you can learn your way around it with enough reading/research.

    Hell I'm now making my own homemade low carb ice cream over the summer atm; all of my noms.

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    Is 'Starting Strength' a decent book? Going to start lifting with the GF, thought it might be a good jumping off point as haven't done any lifting for donkeys (and then it probably wasn't particularly good form/technique).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Is 'Starting Strength' a decent book? Going to start lifting with the GF, thought it might be a good jumping off point as haven't done any lifting for donkeys (and then it probably wasn't particularly good form/technique).
    Yes mate it's very good but for squatting alone there is like 30 pages+ to read which is a bit much. If you're prepared to chew through a decent amount of theory it will teach you a lot and should drive home the importance of heavy compound lifts and their role in overall strength. I swore by that book and for years felt great thanks to deadlifting and squatting so much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkonis Trassler View Post
    Is 'Starting Strength' a decent book? Going to start lifting with the GF, thought it might be a good jumping off point as haven't done any lifting for donkeys (and then it probably wasn't particularly good form/technique).
    Eh, it's over hyped and become a meme. His squatting advice is mediocre, bench advice is basic, his deadlift advice is crap (you won't die if you deadlift more than once a week) and overall SS is a program which was designed for skinny highschool kids looking to bulk up for playing football with the big boys.

    You're best off using google.

    Greg Nuckols is a great source of knowledge http://strengtheory.com/
    Cody Lefever's GZCL method is a good place to start understanding programming http://swoleateveryheight.blogspot.c...lified_13.html
    Dr Mike Israetel has a bunch of great information if you are interested in the sciencey side of stuff https://notehub.org/6cvvk

    Greyskull Linear Progression is probably the best starting program for barbell based gym work. There are a few variants, the phrak variant and /fit/ variant are pretty much just as good as each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    ITT: I get triggered by ketards

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    Eat a crossaint in the morning.
    Lunch at the work cafeteria which can be any thing.
    Sandwich after work at around 5-8 pm.
    Add an occasional beer when I go out with friends and thats that.
    Forgot we usually eat something after basketball every friday. Chips and stuff.

    I've been losing weight because of that but its rather slow and I still dont have any clue what I'm eating nor how much.
    How quickly are you losing weight? It's generally a pretty slow process. 1.5kg a week is a pretty good target to aim for with a decent calory restriction.

    First thing I'd suggest from your diet would be replacing the croisant with something like a banana and coffee. And depending how big your lunch is try to cut down on teh size of the sandwich or amount of fillings.
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    first, zeekar, that sounds like super restrictive diet. only one proper meal a day?
    otoh, keckers, 1.5kg PER WEEK? jesus fuck, that's a LOT
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoki View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    ITT: I get triggered by ketards

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    Eat a crossaint in the morning.
    Lunch at the work cafeteria which can be any thing.
    Sandwich after work at around 5-8 pm.
    Add an occasional beer when I go out with friends and thats that.
    Forgot we usually eat something after basketball every friday. Chips and stuff.

    I've been losing weight because of that but its rather slow and I still dont have any clue what I'm eating nor how much.
    How quickly are you losing weight? It's generally a pretty slow process. 1.5kg a week is a pretty good target to aim for with a decent calory restriction.

    First thing I'd suggest from your diet would be replacing the croisant with something like a banana and coffee. And depending how big your lunch is try to cut down on teh size of the sandwich or amount of fillings.
    wow
    first, zeekar, that sounds like super restrictive diet. only one proper meal a day?
    otoh, keckers, 1.5kg PER WEEK? jesus fuck, that's a LOT
    It isn't if you're a fatty. I've lost around 30kg in a year and it was a slow and tedious process due to me relapsing into eating and irregular gym schedules.

    But it is entirely possible if you're fat to begin with.


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    1.5kg/week is possible even if you're not fat.


    

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoki View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    ITT: I get triggered by ketards

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeekar View Post
    Eat a crossaint in the morning.
    Lunch at the work cafeteria which can be any thing.
    Sandwich after work at around 5-8 pm.
    Add an occasional beer when I go out with friends and thats that.
    Forgot we usually eat something after basketball every friday. Chips and stuff.

    I've been losing weight because of that but its rather slow and I still dont have any clue what I'm eating nor how much.
    How quickly are you losing weight? It's generally a pretty slow process. 1.5kg a week is a pretty good target to aim for with a decent calory restriction.

    First thing I'd suggest from your diet would be replacing the croisant with something like a banana and coffee. And depending how big your lunch is try to cut down on teh size of the sandwich or amount of fillings.
    wow
    first, zeekar, that sounds like super restrictive diet. only one proper meal a day?
    otoh, keckers, 1.5kg PER WEEK? jesus fuck, that's a LOT
    Depends how fat you are. If you're 30% bf then it's a reasonable aim.

    For athletes looking to slowly cut weight the suggested approach is to take your bf%, divide it by 20 and that is the amount of total body mass you should cut per week. For other people this is extremely conservative since losing a bit of lean mass isn't that much of a problem.
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    Losing over a kilo week are you lot having a fucking laugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by 56k Lagman View Post
    Losing over a kilo week are you lot having a fucking laugh
    Have you tried trying?
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    You're discussing apples and oranges. For most people, loosing 0.5 to 1 kg a week is a reasonable and healthy goal. If you are 200 kg and have a lot of flubb, you're going to loose more than that initially. The question in the long run is whether or not your weightloss is going to be sustainable though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keckers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by 56k Lagman View Post
    Losing over a kilo week are you lot having a fucking laugh
    Have you tried trying?
    No I've only ever been underweight but trying to move that much weight on or off in such a short space of time in a word sounds violent to me

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
    I should be home.now but I keep stopping to post. I'm in need of a mega poo. so much so that I'm tempted to leave slurry across one of these gardens and deal with the wiping later. gonna toss a coin

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    A 100kg man at 20% bf can lose 1kg a week and not lose any lean muscle mass. That's a pretty impressive feat by the human body tbh.

    It's a number derived from the calories that can be released from your fat reserves.
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    I'm sure it's physically possible I'm finding it hard to believe it's something people can actually do and maintain for more than like a month

    Quote Originally Posted by Duckslayer View Post
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    I've done it before, cut from 92kg to 80kg lean in under 3 months. It wasn't especially difficult.
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    I went from 110 to 85 in under 3 months. I won't lie that it was easy or anything of the sort but it's possible.


    

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    well fuck me, i must be doing something wrong (i wasn't really doing anything btw, jsut started training)

    i AM battling my body for my whole life, and i AM currently in great shape, but i'm still fat. 90kg on 180cm is a lot.

    i need a fucking plan, i got 4kg this winter and i actually feel the difference when sparring
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoki View Post
    well fuck me, i must be doing something wrong (i wasn't really doing anything btw, jsut started training)

    i AM battling my body for my whole life, and i AM currently in great shape, but i'm still fat. 90kg on 180cm is a lot.

    i need a fucking plan, i got 4kg this winter and i actually feel the difference when sparring
    Eat less.

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    In seriousness, count your calories. Be anal about it for a fortnight and try to get an appreciation for how much you are actually eating.

    I did about 6 weeks counting calories ages ago and I now can pretty much eye ball meals and have a pretty decent idea of how many calories I'm getting and how much my weight will change by. Then I weigh myself a few times a week and use that to improve my estimation up or down. It's really quite simple after you've got over the hurdle of calories being nothing more than an abstract concept or buzzword.
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    Sorry Keckers, it's just not that simple. If it were solely about calories, than why do we bother differentiating between proteins/carbs/fats at all? The body processes these nutrients differently, and they aren't related to their individual calorie counts in the slightest.

    I tried eating less for half a lifetime and it wasn't sustainable because I was constantly hungry. Then I tried eating less carbs and have lasted 15 months so far, during which time I have lost more than a third of my entire bodyweight. Maintaining this has been straightforward because I just don't get hungry like I used to. Hell, I'm only eating twice a day on weekends now.

    If I had to start over but with the knowledge I now have, the first thing I would do is get my fasting blood glucose/insulin levels checked. Because if they're high, then you will never lose bodyfat by simply eating less, unless what you eat less of is mostly carbs. The body burns carbs not because it wants to, but because it has to, because too much glucose in the blood is toxic. T2D is literally the condition of chronic blood glucose toxicity.

    Almost anyone can burn fat by simply cutting out carbs. You might feel a bit shit for a few weeks while the body adjusts, but once it gets used to the idea that you're not feeding it carbage anymore, it will quite happily start burning fat. And that's when the hunger starts to ease, because at that point you've effectively unlocked your own fat stores for self-consumption, so the biological need for top-ups from the outside isn't so strong anymore. Only at that point does eating less in general terms become viable, not before.

    The real reason the world is as fat as it is today is because 40 years ago we were sold a lie, but people keep believing it just because it's been around 40 years. "Eat less, move more", "calories in / calories out", "you are what you eat" are basically the nutritional equivalents of "North Korea, best Korea".

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